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Post by lazide »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #277
ivell wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leadership of countries under sanctions rarely change their behavior due to sanctions. However the effect on the population of the countries is that they turn against the countries applying the sanctions. It becomes easier for the leaders to sell the sanctions to their populace as the enemy action. If the West is expecting any revolution due to sanctions, I have not seen it. However, sanctions do have a symbolic…

Sanctions diminish a counties capacity to wage war.

Cite? Russia and Iran seem to not be giving too much of a shit. NK became a nuclear power under sanctions.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by johncolanduoni »

itake wrote: post #293
xeyownt wrote: post #260

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So you vote AGAINST the guy at power, and you're responsible? Broken logic.

how did their feet vote? The last time (and current time) a president was in power that I didn't agree with (and didn't vote for), I left. As a citizen, I can't fully escape taxes, but I will be my darnedest to reduce my taxable burden when I don't approve of the government.

Some of the nations that are sanctioned by the US etc. literally do not let most their citizens leave. Citizens of all of them will have difficulty getting visas due to the poor relations that resulted in sanctions in the first place. On top of that, even if there are no political barriers not everyone will have the means to do so.

I’m also curious at what point you assign culpability for remaining in a country. Obviously, a baby born in the country can’t be culpable or the concept becomes meaningless. At what age or level of maturity can we start to condemn someone for not noticing that their government is evil and then leaving their family to escape?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by garbagewoman »

adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

I love how your smarmy tone matches the responses he got down to the letter

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tpm »

llmthrow0827 wrote: post #263
m000 wrote: post #232

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The problem is that as West we (collectively) have double morality standards. We call foreign governments regimes and their leaders brutal dictators (they might as well be, that's another discussion). But then we are also eager to extract punishment (like the OP describes) from the individuals who live under the regime/dictator, and often have very limited options to act. Then we call ourselves democracies, shining e…

> Then we call ourselves democracies, shining example to all the world. But we fail to recognize our personal responsibility for the actions of our governments. Because when a warmonger, thug, wannabe dictator or international bully-extraordinaire comes into power in a democracy, we probably could have personally done a lot more to prevent it, with little fear of repercussions, and we didn't. Really? Tell me how Amer…

I'm pretty sure there are, and were, candidades for Congress that would vote against that, at least in some congressional districts. It just wasn't high enough on the voter agenda. Also Kamala Harris would be at least a bit less friendly towards Israel. Possibly much less friendly.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by bloak »

orphea wrote: post #321
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

> Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. With Iranians or residents (currently located) in Iran? This is an important distinction. Edited for clarity (thanks bloak)

"Residency" is a very slippery concept. "Currently located in" would be clearer, though you probably wouldn't want to include diplomatic staff ... or would you?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by cess11 »

ajuc wrote: post #311
chabska wrote: post #221

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> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

You misunderstand the goal of the sanctions. Sanctions are there to cut off 1-2% of GDP each year from the dictatorships' economies. Over 30 years that turns countries into harmless (to the West) backwater shitholes. The consequences towards the local populations are just a side-effect (sometimes wanted, sometimes not). You cannot expect people outside of your dicatorship to prioritize your well being over their own…

No, they're there to kill people. It's war by non-military means, and the US is waging such a war on a very large portion of the world.

There is a recent study concluding that sanctions kill half a million people per annum: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1...>

I don't know what you mean by dictatorship but I'm not exactly adverse to applying the same term to the US, it being a one-party state with the audacity of having two parties, and either way, it's by far the most hostile and violent of contemporary state powers.

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Post by matsemann »

School-Cotton wrote: post #309
chabska wrote: post #221

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> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

> and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea No, I don't do this. I'm not in charge of the government. Who is "we" ?

Not a dig at you, but it's a bit funny/worrisome to see how "we" are not in charge of what our governments do and "Nobody should be expected to take that risk" here, while comments from for instance sfn42 and mvdtnz says the Iranian people are supporting their government because they live and work in the country and should either take the risk by revolting or be classified as supporters of the government.

Such hypocrisy.

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

ivell wrote: post #268
Keirmot wrote: post #254

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Sanctions have a theoretical basis behind them. In the Western Political Philosophical Canon, leaders and elites are expected to strive for the Common Good. From that perspective, sanctions aren’t meant as “torture for fun,” (as you put it) but as a way of creating pressure so governments change their behavior without having to resort to war. They’re basically a tool to raise the cost of bad actions and make it more…

The leadership of countries under sanctions rarely change their behavior due to sanctions. However the effect on the population of the countries is that they turn against the countries applying the sanctions. It becomes easier for the leaders to sell the sanctions to their populace as the enemy action. If the West is expecting any revolution due to sanctions, I have not seen it. However, sanctions do have a symbolic…

You think sanctions on Russia are not working?

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Post by garbagewoman »

adastra22 wrote: post #58
notjosh wrote: post #47

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your comment is helpful context, especially as a foreigner. but would you be able to edit the "pounding in the ass" phrase out in future when referring to prison? thank you <3

Your comment is understandable as a foreigner! Look up our federal prison system sometime. The description is apt. You either kill someone, or become someone's bitch on the first day, then you'll be alright. (It's an Office Space reference, btw, but our prisons are genuinely inhumane and not rehabilitative.)

You miss the point. Rape jokes aren’t funny.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by michalpleban »

Living in Europe, I don't give a damn about US sanctions. However, I block traffic from Iran on all my servers for the simple reason that almost all attacks on my website (and if you run a semi-popular website, you get attacked on a daily basis) come from Iran, Russia or China.

I am very sorry that this kind of action affects you personally, as I am sure you have nothing to do with these attacks. However, filtering out Iranian, Russian and Chinese traffic in its entirety is the only way to protect my server from the majority of DoS and hacking attempts.

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