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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by ranguna »

Why waste money here instead of justing calling it ecma script or js?

Who cares about java?

Let's just move on. I think it would be a much peittier sight to behold seeing a whole community as a whole change the way they call their language instead of paying 100s of 1000s to some lawyers to fight over a name that's pretty bad in the first place (see the history behind the name, they just wanted to piggyback ride on java as a buzzword).

(please don't astroturf saying ecma script is a bad name, if you don't like it, argument why, don't be 12 saying it looks like eczema, it does not and never did)

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by ranguna »

jemmyw wrote: post #67
justincormack wrote: post #63

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I am fairly sure Microsoft owns the typescript trademark.

I used https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ and didn't find it listed there. It used to belong to Lotus. It seems that MS has not trademarked TypeScript.

Shouldn't someone trademark it quickly before a bad actor does?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by javcasas »

latexr wrote: post #326
javcasas wrote: post #325

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Neither you can deduce that car and carpet aren't related. For god's sake, even cars have carpets inside to add to the confusion!

Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this, but you can show people a car and a carpet and they’ll understand how they differ. But if you show them two different programming languages , most people won’t be able to tell the difference. Just like most people see Chinese and Japanese, Swedish and Fin…

> Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society.

Sure. Now I'm guilty of all the anti-intellectualism we are seeing, and the propagandists get to walk free, but ok.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

latexr wrote: post #326
javcasas wrote: post #325

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Neither you can deduce that car and carpet aren't related. For god's sake, even cars have carpets inside to add to the confusion!

Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this, but you can show people a car and a carpet and they’ll understand how they differ. But if you show them two different programming languages , most people won’t be able to tell the difference. Just like most people see Chinese and Japanese, Swedish and Fin…

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by giancarlostoro »

MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #324
giancarlostoro wrote: post #243

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I vote we rename it MOCHAScript, which is my favorite coffee beverage. ECMAScript comes from the spec for JavaScript, which makes sense.

GotchaScript

JabbaScript

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by rs186 »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #140
rs186 wrote: post #19

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Anecdotally I don't know anyone who cares in the slightest bit about that. It's a name that has been used for a long time, and there have been lots of weird, strange name out there for software, but people just use it and move on.

No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. We're all in on TypeScript now and I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway. But when every other intern came in thinking programming WAS Java.... Not great. Having to never utter "JavaScript" again wasn't the primary motivation to move to T…

Sure, some recruiters don't know the difference between Java and JavaScript and have no idea of what those job requirements mean. But it looks like a competency issue to me. Have you ever seen a Google opening that confuses Java and JavaScript?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by DonHopkins »

BoredPositron wrote: post #149
glenstein wrote: post #148

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That feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face. You can be in favor insofar as it's a public service and otherwise disregard.

Everyone in here jumping to the conclusion that if you say something against the PR shit deno has done. To instantly sucking off Oracle and burning JavaScript flags in the garden. They literally brought it on to themselves and now they want you to pay for it. It's "the last chance" because they made it the last chance. That should be thing discussed in here. A company abusing their reach (60k for the petition) preten…

>To instantly sucking off Oracle

Do not anthropenisize Larry Ellison.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by moralestapia »

hnlmorg wrote: post #318
moralestapia wrote: post #259

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Yeah, but that's what is needed. An un-trademark-eable term.

What you need is the opposite: a trademarked name but one where a community-managed nonprofit foundation owns. That’s how other languages (eg Perl and Python) manage their assets. And the ecosystem is better for it.

>Perl

>Python

>And the ecosystem is better for it.

AHAHAHAHAHH

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