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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by Varelion »

copperx wrote: post #326
arjie wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is actually not straightforward to do. Safeway Pharmacy refused to actually give me the vaccine when I showed up saying I'm not in a group that's eligible. One Medical told me that it would be a $400/shot 3-shot regimen. I'll probably just travel to India some time to visit family and get Cervavac there instead of Gardasil here. It's about $20/shot.

The Walgreens pharmacist scolded my 35 year old girlfriend for getting it, saying that it was useless at her age. She insisted and he reluctantly administered the first dose (and later got the rest at another location). He even questioned her motives for getting it once she was in the room. I was appalled by the whole interaction. Maybe I could have understood if I had said she was my wife. But it is still stupid to…

MY partner also had a hard time getting it, at the age of 26. I also had a hard time getting it, at age 26.

People read the recommendation guideline, and brainlessly follow it without care of why it's in place. If you haven't had a reason to be exposed by 30, 30 is as good of a time to get the shot as 9.

One of the few times I can say the majority of medical practitioners don't know what they are talking about when they spit dogma instead of life-saving sense.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by Varelion »

malfist wrote: post #330
copperx wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Walgreens pharmacist scolded my 35 year old girlfriend for getting it, saying that it was useless at her age. She insisted and he reluctantly administered the first dose (and later got the rest at another location). He even questioned her motives for getting it once she was in the room. I was appalled by the whole interaction. Maybe I could have understood if I had said she was my wife. But it is still stupid to…

Gotta love the logic of telling adults not to get the vaccine because its probably too late and you're already infected, while also telling parents not to give it to their kids because it's only for "prostitutes and promiscuous gay men" (per RFK)

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by fuckyah »

pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by epcoa »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #279
Aurornis wrote: post #210

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Depending on the state you’re in, you likely have to get a prescription from a doctor, not a pharmacist, due to the wording of the law. Simplest route would be to call your primary doctor and ask if they can give it to you at your next annual checkup.

My Dr doesn't give me stuff. But that's only because I'm one of the millions of Americans who has no healthcare beyond what can paid out of my pocket. Not his fault.

Maybe try Planned Parenthood, they do stuff like this.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by epcoa »

copperx wrote: post #326
arjie wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is actually not straightforward to do. Safeway Pharmacy refused to actually give me the vaccine when I showed up saying I'm not in a group that's eligible. One Medical told me that it would be a $400/shot 3-shot regimen. I'll probably just travel to India some time to visit family and get Cervavac there instead of Gardasil here. It's about $20/shot.

The Walgreens pharmacist scolded my 35 year old girlfriend for getting it, saying that it was useless at her age. She insisted and he reluctantly administered the first dose (and later got the rest at another location). He even questioned her motives for getting it once she was in the room. I was appalled by the whole interaction. Maybe I could have understood if I had said she was my wife. But it is still stupid to…

HPV is approved up to age 45 with “shared clinical decision making”. Above age 26 it may be more difficult without a clinician due to unimportant bullshit. Try a Planned Parenthood.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by potato3732842 »

fsckboy wrote: post #263
epistasis wrote: post #250

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Cost considerations would be more from the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, not the mentioned above United States Preventive Services Task Force. (Oh, and I see that another comment parallel to mine up there now mentions ACIP too...) In any case, somebody thinking that evaluating safety and efficacy aside from cost considerations means that there's collusion with pharmaceutical companies would be a…

have you ever wondered if it's a great idea to have former generals populate the defense department, procurement, and revolving door employment with defense contractors? what could go wrong? what could go expensive? you are one of the generals in this scenario, thinking that evaluating safety and efficacy aside from cost considerations couldn't possibly lead to higher costs because you yourself and everybody in your…

>have you ever wondered if it's a great idea to have former generals populate the defense department, procurement, and revolving door employment with defense contractors? what could go wrong? what could go expensive?

The real question is why are people who are capable of identifying the problem when it's generals sitting on the board of Lockheed or a telecom industry insider heading the FCC suddenly unable to do so when it's someone who's made their career engineering stormwater solutions taking a position at the EPA or the pharma industry funding research that the CDC will base its policy on.

The CDC, the DOD, etc, etc, these are all symptoms of the problem and a distracting sideshow.

As usual, the real evil is in the minds of the people who peddle double standards and the fact that we have architected society such that this behavior is mainstream and those who engage in it are not marginalized.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by epistasis »

fsckboy wrote: post #258
epistasis wrote: post #251

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There's no clear financial incentive on the decisions here. If there were, it would be collusion, and not in the open, and therefore not clear.

the cdc decides to make recommendations no matter how expensive, and big pharma collects the expensive, and the expert community works for the cdc and big pharma? do you even understand what regulatory capture is? do you understand how framing something as saving lives no matter the cost draws attention away from funneling money to big pharma no matter the deficit? let me guess, you work in this area too.

Since you already replied to my other comment, hopefully you understand now that ACIP takes into account cost as part of its recommendations, but the independent group we were talking about in this thread does not.

Even with CDC its recommendations, it's not the final word.

The reasoning you're highlighting here is highly conspiratorial

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by lazide »

Varelion wrote: post #331
copperx wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Walgreens pharmacist scolded my 35 year old girlfriend for getting it, saying that it was useless at her age. She insisted and he reluctantly administered the first dose (and later got the rest at another location). He even questioned her motives for getting it once she was in the room. I was appalled by the whole interaction. Maybe I could have understood if I had said she was my wife. But it is still stupid to…

MY partner also had a hard time getting it, at the age of 26. I also had a hard time getting it, at age 26. People read the recommendation guideline, and brainlessly follow it without care of why it's in place. If you haven't had a reason to be exposed by 30, 30 is as good of a time to get the shot as 9. One of the few times I can say the majority of medical practitioners don't know what they are talking about when t…

I think it’s more that people judge and then look at the guidelines and get even more judgey and feel justified in doing so.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by jimkleiber »

Varelion wrote: post #332
malfist wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta love the logic of telling adults not to get the vaccine because its probably too late and you're already infected, while also telling parents not to give it to their kids because it's only for "prostitutes and promiscuous gay men" (per RFK)

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My heart goes out to you and your family :-(
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