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Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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post #259

A simple WIFI/bluetooth only device like the iPod Touch but with Linux, combined with a modem puck would actually be enough. You separate the untrusted part from your own device.

Yeah, I always wanted to pink up one of those tiny GDP machines. They would be cool to play with!

https://gpdstore.net/product-category/gpd-handheld-gaming-pc...

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#333

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The driver's license apps will start requiring a non-rooted phone if they don't already.

So continue to use a physical licence instead. Most are credit card size so they're not inconvenient to carry. At present, governments and banks are freeloaders piggybacking on the popularity of the smartphone. If these entities end up mandating access to their services via this route (or making them nigh on impossible to access by other more traditional means) then users should demand they be issued with phones spec…

Many drivers already install those apps

https://www.usnews.com/insurance/auto/how-do-those-car-insur...

Only a question of time until it becomes mandatory

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#334

What I don't get (plz help me) is why out of a sudden this vendors close up their phones and why is Google going this way? What's their intend?

It's not sudden, and it's about control. You probably don't remember a time when you could switch/remove batteries from your phone. All manufacturers removed this ability.

EU is bringing user replaceable batteries back. Starting 2027 all new consumer devices must have user replaceable batteries.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#335

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In some sense they are. But being protected either from a consequence of my own stupidity or a consequence of their lack of security. I think the worst part of all is that these "bandaids" are being used in place of actual security. I don't need to be protected from my own stupidity nor do I need security theater.

It doesn't really protect anything though, because you can always just use an external camera to take a picture of your screen.

It protects less proficient users from accidentally taking a screenshot.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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post #308

My next phone will almost certainly be two phones. One cheap and super standard Android phone to just run banking apps and similar that insists on Google Play etc. Locked down and boring, turned off most of the time. Then a second phone for everything else (terminal with sshd, emacs, emulators, media players ... the stuff that allows a phone to be the general purpose computer it should be). Looks increasingly unlikel…

Yeah, you second phone sounds like a laptop. I have a boring phone that I don't care about with basically factory settings and perhaps 3 apps. MyGov, Dropbox and something else I can't even remember right now. And I also carry a super cool small laptop that can tether to the phone and actually do stuff with. One is an appliance, the other is a computer.

I sometimes bring a bt keyboard to use my phone as a tiny almost-laptop, but mostly happy with something just the size and weight of a phone.

Used to have two phones ~10 years ago. A Jolla Phone was my primary phone with a sim card and ran most non-Google apps. Then I carried around a cheap Motorola Android phone that had no sim card but could run Google Play apps and when it needed wifi I shared that from the Jolla and otherwise it was fully offline and most of the time turned off.

So the phone that was closer to a small laptop was the one I actually used as a phone. Not sure if that is the setup I would go for again or if I would do it the other way around with the Google phone being the phone. If I do the latter I guess something like a very small Linux netbook would work as a second device, it such a thing exists.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#337

My Android phone prevents me from taking screenshots if an app author doesn't want me to. My Android phone prevents me from recording phone calls at the request of my carrier, even though it's totally legal for me to do so in my jurisdiction. I'm not loving where this is all going.

My government (Denmark) refusing to let me use their digital identity app because I don't want to accept Google's or Apple's TOS, and Google helping them enforce that via remote attestation services. Luckily there are alternatives in the form of code displays and NFC chips. However, next year I won't be able to watch porn unless I verify my age using a smartphone, no alternatives are planned. Or rather, I have the "f…

The amount of things you can't do in Denmark without a smart phone is terrifying. Technically you can still manage, but it's becoming increasing difficult. Way everything needs to be a fucking app is beyond me. Accessibility and alternatives for the elderly, or just people who doesn't want a smartphone is pretty much just ignored.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some sense they are. But being protected either from a consequence of my own stupidity or a consequence of their lack of security. I think the worst part of all is that these "bandaids" are being used in place of actual security. I don't need to be protected from my own stupidity nor do I need security theater.

I think the threat model here is that a different, malicious app (compromised, installed accidentally or by the means of social engineering) might take screenshots of your screen and forward them to take advantage of you. You can file this under one's "own stupidity" as well, sure, but in the end they're not protecting you, they're protecting themselves, because banks might be liable for these kind of things, and by…

Are you implying that Google is unable to distinguish whether a screenshot is triggered via a combination of hardware buttons vs via a software call from another app that isn't even on the foreground in their own ecosystem? That's a quite sad state of affairs, isn't it?

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#339
post #308

My next phone will almost certainly be two phones. One cheap and super standard Android phone to just run banking apps and similar that insists on Google Play etc. Locked down and boring, turned off most of the time. Then a second phone for everything else (terminal with sshd, emacs, emulators, media players ... the stuff that allows a phone to be the general purpose computer it should be). Looks increasingly unlikel…

Could you maybe run a hypervisor with both operating systems? Like one does on a server? Or will that munch your battery?

Official Android with Google Play and all the things some apps require will almost certainly refuse to run if a hypervisor is detected. Maybe someone could get it to work, but it would be a struggle to stay ahead of whatever new security checks are added to the OS and apps. The point of having one perfectly normal phone would be to not have to worry about any of that.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

#340
post #89

Where are the open source planes, trains, and automobiles? Medical equipment? Nuclear reactors? Open source cannot afford the quantity control/verification need for these domains. It’s the same for phones. At best you’re going to get an insecure mess.

People can and do build their own automobiles all of the time. See: https://www.youtube.com/@GrindHardPlumbingCo
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