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I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Re: I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Post by stillsut »

vid wrote: post #327
stillsut wrote: post #318

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At a meta-level, I wonder if there's this un-talked about advantage of poaching ambitious talent out of an established incumbent to work a new product line in a new organization, in this case Apple Silicon disrupting Intel/AMD. And we've also seen SpaceX do this NASA/Boeing, and OpenAI do it to Google's ML departments. It seems like large, unchallenged organizations like Intel (or NASA or Google) collect all the top…

I'm not sure it really takes that kind of breakthrough approach. Apple chips are more energy efficient, but x86 can be much faster on CPU or GPU tasks, and it's much more versatile. A main "bug and feature" issue is the PC industry relies on common denominator standards and components, whereas Apple has gone vertical with very limited core expansion. This is particularly important when it comes to memory speed, where…

Makes sense: M-chips, Falcon-9, GPT's are product subsets or the incumbent's traditional product capabilities.

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Post by rkrisztian2 »

itvision wrote: post #314
rkrisztian wrote: post #305

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Sure, it's reported by the Radeon Software, but I'll check HWiNFO64 soon and post a screenshot.

52 minutes to post a screenshot? Guess someone doesn't want to be embarrassed.

Someone flag this comment for insult. I was at work, was taking a break, I wasn't on my personal computer.

Re: I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Post by rkrisztian2 »

rkrisztian wrote: post #305
itvision wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please post a HWiNFO64 screenshot. I have reasons to believe you're making this up. Not a single user has seen such low idle power consumption for desktop Zen AMD CPUs.

Sure, it's reported by the Radeon Software, but I'll check HWiNFO64 soon and post a screenshot.

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Re: I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Post by gradientsrneat »

austin-cheney wrote: post #311

Another reason to switch from Intel to AMD is that Intel is in the top priority segment of the following list while AMD is not on the list at all: https://boycott-israel.org/boycott.html

People boycotting an entire company because a fraction of its civilian industry operates in a tiny country that doesn't care about your existence at all, with a high concentration of multiple ethnic minorities who fled from other nearby countries, in an extremely politically unstable region, will never not sound weird to me.

TSMC (AMD's fab), is heavily based in Taiwan, which has its own implications regarding long-term sustainability and monopoly.

With only two real choices for x86, and the complexity of the global supply chain, it hardly seems like a fair comparison.

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Post by secure »

enronmusk wrote: post #119

If OP's CPU cooler (Noctua NH-D15 G2) wasn't able to cool down his CPU below 100C, he must have been (intentionally or unintentionally with Asus multi core enhancement) overclocked his CPU. Or he didn't apply thermal paste properly or didn't remove the cooler plastic sticker? I have followed his blog for years and hold him in high respect so I am surprised he has done that and expected stability at 100C regardless of…

> If OP's CPU cooler (Noctua NH-D15 G2) wasn't able to cool down his CPU below 100C, he must have been (intentionally or unintentionally with Asus multi core enhancement) overclocked his CPU. Or he didn't apply thermal paste properly or didn't remove the cooler plastic sticker?

I did not overclock this CPU. I pay attention to what I change in the BIOS/UEFI firmware, and I never select any overclocking options.

Also, I have applied thermal paste properly: Noctua-supplied paste, following Noctua’s instructions for this CPU socket.

Re: I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Post by natch »

vid wrote: post #306

For the past 30 odd years I've hand picked and built a desktop PC (which also acts as a home server) pretty much every year, selling the "old" one each time. I really enjoy it as a hobby and for the benefits of understanding and optimizing a system at the parts level. Even though there is a lot of nonsense created by all the choices and marketing, I really prefer the parts approach, and am happy with Linux so a Mac i…

Apple and unified memory seems great but losing CUDA seem like a big downside.

How do you sell your systems when their time comes?

Re: I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Post by vid »

natch wrote: post #337
vid wrote: post #306

For the past 30 odd years I've hand picked and built a desktop PC (which also acts as a home server) pretty much every year, selling the "old" one each time. I really enjoy it as a hobby and for the benefits of understanding and optimizing a system at the parts level. Even though there is a lot of nonsense created by all the choices and marketing, I really prefer the parts approach, and am happy with Linux so a Mac i…

Apple and unified memory seems great but losing CUDA seem like a big downside. How do you sell your systems when their time comes?

I post them with good descriptions on local sites and Facebook marketplace (sigh) and wait for the right buyer. Obviously for less than what I paid, but top end parts can usually get a good price, I got a year of enjoyment out of it, and it's not going to landfill.

Re: I am giving up on Intel and have bought an AMD Ryzen 9950X3D

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Post by austin-cheney »

gradientsrneat wrote: post #334
austin-cheney wrote: post #311

Another reason to switch from Intel to AMD is that Intel is in the top priority segment of the following list while AMD is not on the list at all: https://boycott-israel.org/boycott.html

People boycotting an entire company because a fraction of its civilian industry operates in a tiny country that doesn't care about your existence at all, with a high concentration of multiple ethnic minorities who fled from other nearby countries, in an extremely politically unstable region, will never not sound weird to me. TSMC (AMD's fab), is heavily based in Taiwan, which has its own implications regarding long-t…

Boycotting countries that actively participate in apartheid sounds perfectly reasonable to me. When that apartheid graduates to ethnic cleansing and then genocide it becomes more than reasonable, more than necessary. Israel will not stop murdering people until they are crushed either economically, militarily, or both. Their political leaders have made this clear even to the loud objections of their own military leadership.

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Post by 827a »

vid wrote: post #329
827a wrote: post #316

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To be honest, much of the sense that Apple is ridiculously far ahead when it comes to unified memory SoC architectures comes from people who aren't actually invested in any kind of non-Nvidia local AI development to the degree where you'd actually notice a difference (either the AMD AI Max platform or Apple Silicon Ultra). Because if you were, you'd realize that the grass isn't greener on these unified memory platfor…

People are running GPT OSS 120b at 46 tokens per second on Strix Halo systems, which is quite usable and a fraction of the cost of a 128GB NVidia or Apple system. Apple's GPU isn't that strong, so real competition to Apple and NVidia can be created.

Exactly yeah, my point is that there's a lot more to running these models than just the raw memory bandwidth and GPU-available memory size, and the difference between a $6000 M4 Ultra Mac Studio and a $2000 AI Max 395+ isn't actually as big as the raw numbers would suggest.

On the flip-side, though: Running GPT-OSS-120b locally is "cool", but have people found useful, productivity enhancing use-cases which justify doing this over just loading $2000 into your OpenAI API account? That, I'm less sure of.

I think we'll get to the point where running a local-first AI stack is obviously an awesome choice; I just don't think the hardware or models are there yet. Next-year's Medusa Halo, combined with another year of open source model improvements might be the inflection point.

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