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When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by robotresearcher »

Sprocklem wrote: post #231
platevoltage wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why on earth does Canada still put British monarchs on their money? Follow up question, why doesn't the US do it?

Canada doesn't. It puts Canadian monarchs on its coins. The fact that they are physically the same person as the British monarch is incidental.

To be complete, Elizabeth is still on a lot of Canadian money, and she was the Queen of the UK with dominion over Canada until 1984, when she became Queen of Canada, and the UK crown lost dominion over Canada.

So Elizabeth was a British monarch on Canadian money, and Canadian monarch on Canadian money, uniquely.

Of course she is no longer put on newly made money.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

bji9jhff wrote: post #132
tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

I like to read HN because the conversation here is higher quality than elsewhere, when the subject is tech. But when the conversation deviate to politic, I'm reminded that outside their limited expertise, people here are no better than elsewhere as I read the same ignorant drivel I can find everywhere.

I envy your level of introspection.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

Eextra953 wrote: post #122
tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

Thankful for what exactly?

common law, sanitation, industrialization, administration, diplomacy, record keeping, archeology , business culture, tea culture, etiquette, economics, trade & maritime science -- I could name 50 more.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

archagon wrote: post #226
tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

Maybe China should colonize Britain to make things better, then.

in many ways they are carrying on the British tradition

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

protocolture wrote: post #180
tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

Lmao no. You seem like you have podcast brain. Ireland and Wales are no where near where they would be without being colonised. Let alone states further from the core of the empire. >The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures Greatest successes. Honestly it could only be better if the britons pushed the angles and saxons back into the ocean.

it's a fair argument, and tips the scales a bit, but the balance is still overwhelmingly in favor

It's not like Ireland and Wales are doing much to preserve their legacies regardless. So it's hard, as an outsider, to intuit how much they actually care.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

lcvw wrote: post #118
tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

I don’t think that is at all accurate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_genocide

what point are you making?

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

robotresearcher wrote: post #165
tonymet wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the king can call you to war right?

No, only parliament can declare war. And the King of Canada is a different role than the King of the UK, as explained many times in the thread.

but he's commander in chief. and he confirms / dissolves parliament. so when it matters, as in war time, he can . I don't appreciate the condescension in either case. It's not like his powers are easy to understand. They exist, though not commonly exercised.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by ineedaj0b »

tupac_speedrap wrote: post #214
ineedaj0b wrote: post #157

I’ve been really sad getting older and having so much more context on Britain. My family weirdly had access to all of British TV in US growing up and they had fantastic programs. Now, I feel they are a joke. They seem like a strong example of what absolutely not to do. Their cultural exports have sunk. The arrested citizens for social media posts seems draconian. The economy barely hanging on. I understand the Media…

You seem to be prejudice and cherry picking to backup your opinion judging from the way your post reads and the random unhinged comments on Spain for some reason, HN is attracting more pseudo-intellectuals these days unfortunately. I don't think anyone can help you apart from maybe a therapist but getting laid and interacting with people outside in a non-transactional may help

Hm. I asked openly for information to change my opinion - show data, examples, anything - and you attack my character.

I get the largest amount of my news from Bloomberg. And you think I need to get laid. I have no issues with women or mental health.

This entire exchange, especially with your reply - means I’m right on the money!

I will find a way to short the UK. It’s all been going downhill since WWII, and the population alive hasn’t the gruff to fix the backslide.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by ineedaj0b »

School-Cotton wrote: post #173
ineedaj0b wrote: post #157

I’ve been really sad getting older and having so much more context on Britain. My family weirdly had access to all of British TV in US growing up and they had fantastic programs. Now, I feel they are a joke. They seem like a strong example of what absolutely not to do. Their cultural exports have sunk. The arrested citizens for social media posts seems draconian. The economy barely hanging on. I understand the Media…

I assume you mean William, not Andrew.

Yes. Sorry. Get them mixed up.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tonymet »

ripe wrote: post #208
tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

> British colonies universally benefited from the British empire I can’t tell whether this is a joke or a sincere opinion, but HN readers might be misled if it’s allowed to stand. Briefly, this is an absurd claim. I can speak confidently about India, and I am pretty sure the story is similar for other unfortunate colonies. Instead of arguing here, let me provide an accessible starting point to learning about it: The…

of course i'm sincere, and obviously India is infinitely better off today, and the best parts of India are the British Tradition
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