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New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by macintux »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #328
VonTum wrote: post #300

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> However, lobbying efforts have steadily pushed for broader access and eligibility...British legislators have to consider how easily assisted dying can be expanded, how easily abuses can go undetected. Wait, how exactly does one "abuse" MAID? People being so deep in poverty and addiction that they opt for MAID as an option isn't a symptom that it's "too easy" to access it, but rather that _society_ is failing them.…

The argument is that society should not put resources into things like assisted dying programmes: they should put resources into making life worth living for people who would otherwise take the assisted dying option.

Only one of those options seems financially practical, unfortunately.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by bigDinosaur »

ecb_penguin wrote: post #320
XorNot wrote: post #312

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Because there's absolutely no reason to believe that's the case? Like I don't know what the point of this argument is: maybe it's impossible. Sure, great. Okay. But you know...let's actually find out, because it looks very possible if hard from our current vantage point.

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Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by dsign »

N_Lens wrote: post #256
dsign wrote: post #118

I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…

That conception of God sounds positively Eldritch!

I was in need of a compliment today. Thank you :-) !

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

simianparrot wrote: post #153
oezi wrote: post #149

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As another European I don't understand your argument because Europe has seen so much internal migration over the hundreds of years that it is weird to argue it is leading to monoculture. Also unchecked migration to Europe is down to 200.000 people per year so less than 0.1% of population.

I include poor vetting and integration as unchecked immigration if that wasn’t obvious. And do note that I wrote > people who do not share the majority of the destination’s cultural values No culture should nor can stay stagnant. But if we allow in people who do not share or wish to share a majority of our cultural values, which vary a lot between European countries as well, then we deteriorate what made our countrie…

That's a great soundbite but if you asked e.g. the average British person just before Brexit they'd tell you that they are worried about all the Poles, Bulgarians and Romanians, i.e. other Europeans, coming here, taking our jobs, scrounging wellfare and so on.

I mean, realistically speaking, they'd be bitching about Pakistanis and Indians and Middle Eastern immigrants also, but in 2016 the British voted to exit the European Union, not the Middle Eastern Union. The hint is right there, in the name.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by pfdietz »

ggm wrote: post #191

Remarkable hostility and strange circular logic from some people posting here. Clearly belief outstrips evidence. If research suggests there's an observable asymptotic trend, public health dollars at the very least might be better spent on quality of life as much as quantity. The posts saying an atom of oxygen is potentially infinitely long lived (ignoring radioactive decay?) As a "proof" that life extension has no l…

Personal longevity is a topic that seems maximally suited to drive wishful thinking.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by Earw0rm »

billfor wrote: post #171
qgin wrote: post #107

New research reveals horse-drawn wagon engineering gains slowing, travel at speeds beyond 12mph unlikely.

There are no new modes to switch to. We can’t fly supersonic passenger airlines anymore and haven’t been to the moon since 1972. The new Accela trains run slower than the old ones.

Half true. You can switch to the mode of not needing to go halfway around the world (or even just across the country) so often, because efficient information flows allow you to accomplish vastly more while mostly staying relatively local.

Sure, we all like to complain about burrito taxis, dating apps and endless Zoom calls, but in terms of quality-of-life per unit of energy, it's a step change.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by exe34 »

ecb_penguin wrote: post #320
XorNot wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's absolutely no reason to believe that's the case? Like I don't know what the point of this argument is: maybe it's impossible. Sure, great. Okay. But you know...let's actually find out, because it looks very possible if hard from our current vantage point.

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Do you believe this limit on lifespan is a uniquely human condition? or do you believe that it's impossible for any animal whatsoever to have a long lifespan (let's say 400 years for the sake of argument here).

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

simianparrot wrote: post #257
NeutralForest wrote: post #255

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This sounds very defeatist? I still believe in the European project but it gets hard when you see the current political landscape. That said, I don't think we can only put it on spineless bureaucrats, I don't see many countries having bold policies of integration even at the national level.

When I'm looking into countries to emigrate to, I don't expect _them_ to take on the burden of integrating _me_, I take that burden of responsibility on myself. Likewise I never understood why we blame ourselves for a lack of effective integration when, particularly in Norway's case, we offer all the services you could want. But you have to _want_ to integrate, we can't force you. And if you don't want to, please lea…

I'm an immigrant to the UK. Do you want to tell me what I need to do to "integrate"? Because I have no idea what you may mean by that.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by exe34 »

Fargren wrote: post #316
arisAlexis wrote: post #242

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Religion is a lie. This is actually a possible science path. Don't get confused.

> Religion is a lie Anyone who says "we will have within this generation technology to extend your lifetime indefinitely" is lying just as much as the priest who says he knows God exists is lying[1]. I would say it's more likely that the scientist liar is accidentally right, than that the priest is; that doesn't make either of them people you should trust. At the current stage of technology, belief on this process is…

oh thank goodness you've finally shifted the goal post! in other comments you were arguing that radical life extension was impossible but now it's merely impossible within our lifetime! that's a huge shift!

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Post by ceejayoz »

a_imho wrote: post #325
joelthelion wrote: post #180

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> So, we are paying an extremely high cost for letting God go on with His Slow Tormentous Cooking of Souls before Consumption, and things are only going to get worse, given the demographic expectations. Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech? It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevit…

It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevitable and that past some point, assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible. I hold the opposite view on this issue. While I firmly believe that everyone should have the freedom to make their own choices about their lives, my…

> I would much prefer that, instead of programs like MAID, people were offered options such as cryopreservation.

That's just assisted suicide with extra steps.

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