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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ankurdhama »

rauli_ wrote: post #112
bodge5000 wrote: post #82

I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

It's so weird to hear people who have problems with NVIDIA GPUs on Linux, because for me it's always been the opposite. I have had problems with AMD but never with NVIDIA.

The problem is not NVIDIA GPU, it is laptops that have iGPU (amd or intel) and Nvidia dgpu. In such a configuration the experience is really really bad in both X11 and wayland.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by naruhodo »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #149
DiabloD3 wrote: post #15

Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.

I'm a Linux desktop user and have had nothing but success with my Nvidia cards. Don't speak for everyone.

I too, have always had success using NVIDIA cards with my Fedora Linux. I suspect that the people who have problems are doing something differently, like running the proprietary installer instead of using packages (RPM Fusion's akmod-nvidia packages in the case of Fedora).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by mixmastamyk »

hruzgar wrote: post #177
nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

Not specifically about the new laptop but will you guys ever do a 15 inch non-gaming laptop that looks similar to a macbook? I really want to buy one of your products but 13 inch is a bit too small for me while the Laptop 16 is a bit too bulky.

Yes, I am another who wished for a bigger 13.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ehnto »

nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

Your team might want to know that the website can crash on firefox mobile.

It even crashes firefox itself, and the android UI.

Unfortunately I am unwilling to give further details except that it is firefox on a very reasonable Android device.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ffsm8 »

kelnos wrote: post #269
ffsm8 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As framework doesn't produce their own hardware, they're also forced to live with the reality that generations are also bound by the whims of the producers. E.g sockets and chipsets change and will force incompatible changes, no matter how much framework would like to keep things stable.

Not sure what you mean by "produce". Nearly no PC/laptop brand actually manufactures their own hardware. Framework does work with ODMs (Compal, I believe, is their main one?) to design mainboards for their chassis, which are designed specifically for Framework. It's not like they just take an off-the-shelf design and build it without any modifications. And yes, chipsets change. (A "socket" changing isn't really a thi…

The socket still has a significant impact, even if the CPU is soldered on. It puts constraints on where things can be.

I believe the framework CEO himself mentioned in an interview how the chipset and socket are kinda at the core of designing the whole laptop, because it necessitates the placement of the cooling and all other components. I sadly didn't bookmark that YouTube video, so I cannot provide a link however

And fwiw, Apple is the only company that could make their laptops fully compatible and upgradeable, because they've got the relevant stack under their own control. Sadly, they're not interested in reducing ewaste, as that would mean less profit for them

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by psolidgold »

kristianp wrote: post #281

You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

The keyboards have full NKRO support and are fully mappable with QMK firmware, plus they offer blank key caps AND a macro or numpad input module. That feels like plenty of leadership to me - that's unheard of in any other laptop. Can't please everyone I guess.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by rendaw »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #327
promiseofbeans wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, they made their keyboard swappable, with open-source firmware. If you are passionate enough, you can make (and sell) a replacement that solves these issues.

Making custom electronics goes way beyond "passionate" and into "has specialized skills and enough capital to get these made".

I think "well just make the PR yourself" comments are too reductionist myself, but in this case Framework does have space for 3rd party components in the marketplace. I don't think it'd be crazy to imagine some custom keyboards will appear there.

And here's an example of someone making a custom keyboard: https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-... - it looks pretty awesome, and I'm fairly sure this is the first time I've ever seen a laptop with an ergo keyboard like that.

Framework 16 is a collection of modules, so I think complaining about the modules is fair game, but it could also be seen as a basis/standard that isn't expected to fit everyone's needs, but fit maybe 90% and allow other people to make the customizations they need easier, in which case complaining about they arrow keys on a single component does feel a bit trivial.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by 999900000999 »

I like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop.

1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc...

I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price.

Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years.

If your motivation is "the environment" you can always just donate your old laptop , give it to a friend, etc. "Gaming" laptop might as well be for code for cheaper , but it has RGB and your co-workers might look at you weird.

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