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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by RandomBacon »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #247
nemomarx wrote: post #185

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Their isps already offer this, actually. You have to show id to them to get it turned pff.

I don’t have to show ID, but I do have to pay the bill, which means a direct debit, which means over 18. The correct solution (in addition to bill layer control and arguably compulsory support for an “over 18” tag in dns which would be easy enough to implement for the same sites that currently demand over 18s, would be to help parents utilise parental controls (having recently been through it with Minecraft and fortn…

> direct debit, which means over 18

Incorrect. Source: I had a checking account before I was 18.

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Post by tmnvix »

lokar wrote: post #77
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

I've posted this before, but it's relevant here:

'The UK’s Online Safety Act didn’t come from Parliament or the public'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ2AokZujC0 (watch from about 4:20)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by andrepd »

scythe wrote: post #179
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

The goal of the policy is supported by the voters. The polls used to measure this are shifty at best about the implementation details. Who doesn't want to prevent kids from looking at pornography? But plenty of things are popular if you ask people in a way that makes them ignore how it plays out in real life. Laws against tall buildings are a pretty good example. Land reform was extremely popular in many socialist co…

> Land reform was extremely popular in many socialist countries until it actually happened

Actually, land reforms were spectacularly popular—and very successful—in many countries like Guatemala or Vietnam (coincidentally, two places that were invaded by the US in an attempt to revert those reforms, one successful and the other not).

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by chatmasta »

SoftTalker wrote: post #168
jdietrich wrote: post #141

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Millions of British people are already engaged in a cat-and-mouse game against online censorship, for one main reason - football (soccer). If you're a British football fan and want to watch every live televised match, you'll need to pay £75 a month for subscriptions to both Sky Sports and TNT Sports. That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played , because for weird historical reasons there…

I've tried the "IPTV streams" to watch blacked out NHL games, and they are often terribly overloaded or just don't work at all. Not something I'd pay for.

Just search for the name of the sport and “bite” and you’ll find some sketchy successor of the original subreddits for pirated sports streams (“r/nflbite,” “r/nbabite,” etc.) Or find the latest streameast mirror which is usually the best.

Make sure your ad blocker is working. Then it’s just a matter of finding the best stream, extracting the playlist, and opening VLC.

I documented [0] some useful tricks for this technique and the comments also include more useful snippets and bookmarklets.

[0] https://gist.github.com/milesrichardson/4661c311199b98023701...

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by foxglacier »

oblique wrote: post #312
ionwake wrote: post #302

The next step I assume is banning VPN use for anyone under 18 in the UK, followed by only allowing academics or certain roles to use them.

Banning VPNs seems effectively impossible. Any ip address can act as a vpn. There are also zero identity providers like mullvad.

Deep packet inspection can detect VPNs. The problem may be more that people have legitimate uses for VPNs, like at their work. Those could be whitelisted though.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by conradfr »

bko wrote: post #315
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

I heard things about UK arresting people for social media posts but thought it was just a few cases cherry picked. But I recently looked up the scale of arrests and it's really insane. Police are arresting over 12,000 people each year for social media posts and other online communications deemed “grossly offensive,” “indecent,” “obscene,” or “menacing.” This averages to around 33 arrests per day. These arrests are pr…

It's more damning when you see who (and the cases) they don't arrest in the mean time.

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Post by 4ndrewl »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #198
4ndrewl wrote: post #180

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Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).

Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for. The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.

You say they weren't given a choice, but there are now more parties represented in parliament now than before.

What percent of the electorate voting for the biggest party would be acceptable to you?

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Post by arealaccount »

speedylight wrote: post #37
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #3

> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…

I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

Im sure you will be able to get a passport for digital travel

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Post by numpad0 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #316
numpad0 wrote: post #305

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Always has been. A lot of prominent Twitter accounts in my primary language, especially the old ones, has telltales of having been on 2chan. net. There must be something to that format that installs a basic social media amplification skill in your brain that do not develop otherwise. There are places more toxic than 4chan but skill levels don't compare, and 4chan and 2chan also share nothing culture wise, so it must…

My guess would be that to be on 2chan/4chan "back in the day", you need to be terminally online. And being terminally online is a soft prerequisite to being really good at posting interesting things online. Excellence isn't an act - it's a habit.

There was also 2ch. net that was a lot bigger, but 2ch "alumni" aren't as good. It's not just cohort, it has/had better action-reward loop than other systems.
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