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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by keyle »

jeremyjh wrote: post #291
keyle wrote: post #263

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I don't write Ruby, but I write Go and C, and C++ and I was left facing a new license. For no reason at all. It's the same debugger and the same code base, you just need to hook into gdb or lldb instead of all the other ones. Like I said it's only one of the problems, read the rest.

The paid version of Intellij has never lost anything. Pretty much everything the specialized IDEs can do, Intellij can do too, though maybe some features lag. CLion, Rubymine etc are just less expensive specialized versions. I'm sure the free version has lost some things. Its been a long time since I used CLion but it was the best C++ IDE by a huge margin.

I agree CLion is the best as C IDE, but there is no reason that intelliJ couldn't do C/C++/Go, other than cashing in with new product lines and licenses.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by jenadine »

hashbig wrote: post #323
Hendrikto wrote: post #268

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I have never seen so much virtue signaling and moral superiority in a GitHub issue. What a joke.

There is an active genocide going on as we speak. I am sorry if you find boycotting those who support it is virtue signalling and a joke.

There is no indication that zed supports this genocide (accepting money from an entity who might != Supporting)

This is far fetched and that's why it cannot be taken seriously.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #318
8fingerlouie wrote: post #285

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ST is also all but dead. They switched to a subscription model (3 year licenses are still subscriptions), and since the release of ST4 in 2021, there has been exactly one release with new features (May 2025). All other releases have been bug fixes and "improvements". I get that developers need to make a living, but 4 years of fixing bugs in your products is probably not what I want to be paying for, at least not when…

> They switched to a subscription model (3 year licenses are still subscriptions) Licenses are perpetual. It is not a subscription. Don't like the work we've done? You can continue to use that version of Sublime Text until the end of time. > there has been exactly one release with new features (May 2025) August 2024 we added kinetic scroll and xdg-activation support for Wayland; we also added the ability to configure…

> You can continue to use that version of Sublime Text until the end of time.

Or until some change in the underlying OS makes it no longer able to run. Not saying that happens frequently, but it does happen.

> I'll stop there. Those are just the largest, most user facing new features, not any of the new settings, new APIs or improvements that I'd argue are new features.

New font pickers, settings dialogues and other "polish" is hardly what i'd call new features. I listed those as "improvements".

I'm not trying to start a fight, and i respect the work that has been done, but VS Code releases more features in a month that ST has released in the entire ST4 lifecycle, as does Zed. I understand the team is (a lot) smaller. My frustration is that when a new release comes out, it's mostly polish, and not fixing the real problems, such as lack of integration and plugins.

You may choose to brush it off as just an old fart rambling on the internet, but i'm not alone with this opinion, and i have ST licenses dating back to the original version, and i have chosen not to renew my ST4 license. When you start losing the "religious" users, maybe it's time to reevaluate ?

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Hendrikto »

hashbig wrote: post #323
Hendrikto wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never seen so much virtue signaling and moral superiority in a GitHub issue. What a joke.

There is an active genocide going on as we speak. I am sorry if you find boycotting those who support it is virtue signalling and a joke.

Regardless of your political stance, how is taking money from a VC company that has a single person that said a single thing you disagree with “supporting genocide”? And how is uninstalling a text editor going to help literally anyone?

This is 100% pure virtue signaling. This brigading is not helping a single Palestinian. These people just want to feel and show the world that they are “the good guys”, while not actually doing anything or helping anyone. To me, that is absolutely a joke.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by yencabulator »

failiaf wrote: post #218

for those who just caught the headline, the real gem here isn't the investment, but what zed's doing different: rather than using git for version control, they're announcing deltadb which incrementally stores all changes as crdt [1] while being interopable with git. this feels pretty important; git is definitely not the right primitive for version control with ai and that pain is obvious with existing solutions. zed…

Ehh Zed tried to push the collaborative editing before the AI hype was thing (that blog post is from 2022), and seemingly everyone outside of Zed developers promptly ignored the idea.

The Zed developers quickly refocused on milking the AI cow.

I'll argue git is plenty good, and there are a lot of people who don't understand it very well. The ones talking about Github PRs as if they were related to Git in any way most definitely don't.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Bolwin »

echelon wrote: post #153
ActionHank wrote: post #145

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It was a cool idea while it lasted, I hope other editors embrace the learnings once zed is gone.

I doubt anyone will follow this. 1. Everyone else is building on Electron. 2. People still sleep on or dunk on Rust. There's a great deal of negativity here on HN for the language. 3. There's only so much Rust talent out there.

I haven't seen any negativity only push back. Rust became too hyped. I don't think Rust has a visibility problem right now. Everyone who cares enough already knows about it.

Also, it doesn't have to be rust, it could be C# or Zig or Lua or whatever

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by efficax »

kelnos wrote: post #215
efficax wrote: post #100

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Zed is fully open source. Fork it. The code is pretty nice, too, easy to understand.

I really dislike the dismissive "fork it" response. You do know how much time and work it takes to maintain your own fork of something, right? It's great that it's possible, but to expect most people to do something like that is absurd.

i do know how hard it is, that doesn’t change anything. nobody is forced to use something like zed and if you think it’s important enough to stress about the product decisions they make, the open source license gives you freedom to decide what to do about it. anyway you don’t even have to maintain it. you can take gpl software you like today, build it for linux and with a docker container you’ll be able run that same binary for the foreseeable future. then you can choose to extend it or not

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by TiredOfLife »

keyle wrote: post #331
jeremyjh wrote: post #291

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The paid version of Intellij has never lost anything. Pretty much everything the specialized IDEs can do, Intellij can do too, though maybe some features lag. CLion, Rubymine etc are just less expensive specialized versions. I'm sure the free version has lost some things. Its been a long time since I used CLion but it was the best C++ IDE by a huge margin.

I agree CLion is the best as C IDE, but there is no reason that intelliJ couldn't do C/C++/Go, other than cashing in with new product lines and licenses.

It can do Go.

Only ones that it can't is C/C++ (probably because that started as Apple only IDE) and .NET (that started as extension for Visual Studio).

They started Fleet that can do all of them, as a response for VS Code. But then came AI and Cursor probably took a large chunk of their users. So they redirected resources (like Zed that paused their collaborative features to focus on AI). There is currently a closed EAP for Cursor like ide based on Fleet. And their Git client as separate app.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by marwis »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #338
keyle wrote: post #331

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I agree CLion is the best as C IDE, but there is no reason that intelliJ couldn't do C/C++/Go, other than cashing in with new product lines and licenses.

It can do Go. Only ones that it can't is C/C++ (probably because that started as Apple only IDE) and .NET (that started as extension for Visual Studio). They started Fleet that can do all of them, as a response for VS Code. But then came AI and Cursor probably took a large chunk of their users. So they redirected resources (like Zed that paused their collaborative features to focus on AI). There is currently a closed…

The C++ plugin is included in Android Studio which is essentially a distribution of IntelliJ. There seems to be no technical reason for not allowing it in full IntelliJ.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by kamaal »

iLemming wrote: post #325
kamaal wrote: post #306

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>>They also don’t bother to announce a Vim or Emacs one either. vim has a universal and in many ways a eternal use case. You have to edit a file at some point on a server, be it a self hosted or even on ec2. Thats kind of the only real use case for vim. In these days of AI assisted coding, no one really 'edits' code. A lot of editor short cuts and fluency related concepts kind of in many ways are not relevant in this…

Have you even ever watched someone experienced using Emacs or you're making assumptions on your (I suppose limited experience)? The "distraction" framing assumes everyone has the same preferences and working style, I for one find VSCode (and IDEs in general) massively distracting from productively solving many tasks. No, it's not "a skill" issue - I have used InteliJ every single day for almost a decade, diving into…

>>Have you even ever watched someone experienced using Emacs or you're making assumptions on your (I suppose limited experience)?

I am one of those experienced Emacs users myself. Wrote more stuff in Emacs and even vim than most devs today will even write code over their careers.

Its just vscode now does simply too many things out of the box, you obviously can recreate that in Emacs, but its a pointless exercise. Time consuming, and distracts your from your real job. My job is to write code, not build emacs to write code.

I totally stopped using Org-mode, because Google docs do it way better.

At some point you have to move on. For some people like that point arrived a little early.

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