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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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imo nothing wrong with a platform deciding what content it wants to host. But there’s also nothing wrong with allowing this type of content. Who wants to help me build an uncensored game distribution platform? We could call it Steamy.

Incest rape simulators, zoophilia, lolicon?

I think this stuff has no place on 'normal' store fronts like Steam and Itch. It should be on an 18+ only store front at the very least.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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That makes no sense. Frequently the "consequences" of speech is other speech. Are you going to try to argue that the original speech should be privileged over the response?

I do not give a shit about people responding to speech with speech. I am arguing that responding to speech by using your authority over the speaker to hurt them, or by lobbying an authority to do so is something different than speech. Did you see the context for this thread? This is the rhetorical question I responded to: "Do we have a right to object to speech that promotes and normalizes violence against us?". I ho…

>>"objecting" is not the same as lobbying Visa/Mastercard to ban speech they believe "promotes and normalizes violence against us"

Why not? Like, I'm a full on anarchist, but how do you create any sort of functioning society without out people being able to say "we as a group don't like that shit and are going to do things to stop it from happening"? Like if burger king comes out and says "We sell dogs here now" am i not allowed to say "fuck this, I'm allergic to dogs but I loved whoppers, I'm going to picket outside BK until the king fixes this travesty of hamburgers?"

Again, I'm an anarchist so I have weird views on a lot of topics, but isn't this a problem that "the capital class wants to continue to have profit go up and to the right on their charts, they're cowardly and uncreative so they fear anything that destabilizes this movement on their charts, and large networks of people are the only thing that can utilize this fear to cause them to change their behaviors"?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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This is absolutely a wedge to censor LGBTQ+ content. If you can separately argue that adult content should be blocked and LGBTQ+ themes are for adults, then you can block queer content online en masse. Visa and Mastercard have too much power, and are too willing to capitulate.

The group responsible also want to ban Detroit: Become Human , for context. That game advocates staunchly for civil rights and the autonomy of women, children, and other minorities. The Holocaust allegory is so on the nose you can't even call it veiled. It says domestic abuse is unforgivably, undeniably wrong. They don't even care about marginalized groups or even women themselves. Any piece of content that gives the…

This is why it is so tiring to see everyone reduce what is happening here to “they're trying to ban [specific thing I care about]!” rather than take the objective facts of the situation in total.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Can you give me an example of this? As far as I understand it sex positivity doesn't seem to be concerned with "media sexualizing women" in and of itself. Consequently I'm not sure what "media [that] sexualizes women to a problematic degree" is or would even look like.

It has to do with agency, primarily. Is the character in the media given the agency and depth necessary to support their sexual appetites? Or are they treated like an object by the camera, a 2 dimensional cutout whose purpose is only to be an object. Compare, for example, Sex and the City, where 4 women were regularly engaged in a variety of sexual encounters and say, background dancers in a music video or advert tha…

I've definitely seen people say it's about agency, though exactly what they mean by that and why they think that matters tends to vary. That said, I suspect your response is in line with the person I was originally responding to.

In a different context I might be more sympathetic to this specific formulation of the concept since it's not always clear how much agency the background dancers in a music video or advert have. However, on the original topic of video games, the notion of "character agency" is rather pernicious.

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From the subhed: "Even games that have nothing to do with sex or abuse have been caught in the dragnet."

Detroit: Become Human has abuse as significant element to its story. It came under attack from the "National Association of People Abused in Childhood" when it came out, and also from Collective Shout.

The theme is about androids being abused by society, so I suppose answering that question gives insight into your views on what may happen decades from now in this pursuit of General AI.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I have always found it odd that whenever pornography comes up the degree to which people defend it in all forms. It is uncomfortably telling but also completely misses why this is happening. Itch.io is heavily saturated with anime porn games along with steam to the point I find both difficult to navigate even with nsfw filters turned on. Turning those filters off and it is pretty egregious the volume of it all let al…

> How can i see cyberpunk but not hentai?

There are filter by tags too. Works pretty well to filter out like all anime or hentai games.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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The Puritanical origins of the US reverberate to this day. While coming for "freedom of religion" sounds like a noble origin story, the context was that they wanted the freedom to practice a much stricter, restrictive form of religion than that allowed by the Church of England.

Collective Shout, which organized this, claims to be an Australian feminist organization. (Admittedly, this may be an act.)

They are however influenced by the American discourse soup of lies and talking points, in the same way that the NZ mosque shooter was.

Conservatives around the world talk to each other.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I have always found it odd that whenever pornography comes up the degree to which people defend it in all forms. It is uncomfortably telling but also completely misses why this is happening. Itch.io is heavily saturated with anime porn games along with steam to the point I find both difficult to navigate even with nsfw filters turned on. Turning those filters off and it is pretty egregious the volume of it all let al…

Few questions I think we need to address at some point.

Why is there so much demand for these games?

Why do we think government intervention is the solution in this domain but not others?

Why is there so much demand for these games???

To the point where the only way to stop people from playing them is making them illegal.

Is anyone else worried about this??? I am!

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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It is alarming for credit card companies to take on a politically censorious role that supersedes legal activity. This really kicked off in 2021 when MasterCard started imposing restrictive rules on sex sites like OnlyFans. The ACLU has a campaign against it: https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/how-mastercards-new-p...

OnlyFans did manage to figure it out though. Maybe this is an opportunity for them to start a gaming division.

The thing they figured out was "people can fight back and the credit cards will back down". Onlyfans is a lot of people's income, so they will naturally fight harder than a consumer market like games to keep the lights on.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I read from a fairly reputable source that money laundering is a huge problem in online sex industry. Which makes sense - you have buyers and sellers who insist on anonymity, services that leave no trace once rendered, buyers and sellers lying to family and friends about what they're doing, etc. There's often no "normal" amount of consumption, for example, some sellers receive million dollar tips. Money laundering is…

If it was about potential for money laundering, they'd have gone after the Steam item marketplace way before random adult games. Valve has had to take action against it in the past: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/valve-block-counter-strike-... , but AFAIK it's hard to actually solve.

Not so much the potential for money laundering, as actual money laundering. Is there actual money laundering going on in Steam's item marketplace?
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