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Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by moralestapia »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #216
Workaccount2 wrote: post #211

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There is a distinction that must be made that very few people do, but thankfully the courts seems to grasp: Training on copyright is a separate claim than skirting payment for copyright. Which pretty much boils down to: "If they put it out there for everyone to see, it's probably OK to train on it, if they put it behind a paywall and you don't pay, the training part doesn't matter, it's a violation."

So if I download copyrighted material like the new disney movie with fansubs and watch it for training purposes instead of enjoyment purposes it's fine? In that case I've just been training myself, your honor. No, no, I'm not enjoying these TV shows. Because it's important to grasp the scale of these copyright violations: * They downloaded, and admitted to using, Anna's Archive: Millions of books and papers, most of…

OpenSubtitles has nothing to do with pirated media. Transcripts/translations are fair use. Their own use case is fair use as well.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by moralestapia »

degamad wrote: post #326
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #291

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The dead corpses of filmmakers and authors and actors are buried in unmarked graves out behind those companies' corporate headquarters. Unimaginable horror, that piracy. Why has no one intervened? >If you're just a normal person you get to spend years in jail or worse. Not that I'm a big fan of the criminalization of copyright infringement in the United States, but who has ever spent years in jail for this? Besides,…

> who has ever spent years in jail for this? Aaron Swartz? EDIT: apparently he wasn't in jail, he was on bail while the case was ongoing - but the shortest plea deal would still have had him in jail for 6 months, and the penalty was 35 to 50 years.

Nope, he didn't go to jail.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by rollcat »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #127
rollcat wrote: post #56

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When I was taught mathematics, the zero value was always considered the most important edge case. You prove something for N=0 (or N=1), then for N=M+1. It's even more important in audio DSP: processing near-zeroes can end up being extremely CPU intensive, look up denormal/subnormal floats.

Denormals are flushed to zero by default on most GPUs by the way.

Makes total sense, execution time is bounded. The point is it's still a case you must consider (what if near-zero is distinct from zero and significant?)

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

moralestapia wrote: post #331
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I download copyrighted material like the new disney movie with fansubs and watch it for training purposes instead of enjoyment purposes it's fine? In that case I've just been training myself, your honor. No, no, I'm not enjoying these TV shows. Because it's important to grasp the scale of these copyright violations: * They downloaded, and admitted to using, Anna's Archive: Millions of books and papers, most of…

OpenSubtitles has nothing to do with pirated media. Transcripts/translations are fair use. Their own use case is fair use as well.

OpenSubtitles is almost exclusively used with pirated media. Official copies come with official subtitles. OpenSubtitles itself is legal, but that's not the point at all.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by xg15 »

bGl2YW5j wrote: post #60
stingraycharles wrote: post #30

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How is this overfitting, rather than a data quality / classification issue?

If the model was able to generalise, you’d expect it to output something like “[silence]” or “…”, in response to silence. Instead, it reverted to what it has seen before (in the training data), hence the overfit.

I think it's a data quality problem first, which might lead to a sort of overfitting as a consequence.

How would the AI know that a series of zero-amplitude audio samples should generate the string "[silence]"?

It can only know that if the vast majority of silent audio segments in the trainser are consistently labelled with that string. But that doesn't seem to be the case: Silence is either not labeled at all, or labeled with all kinds of different markers or labeled with unrelated things, like copyright credits.

So even if the model successfully learns a generalized representation of the concept of "silence", it's not clear at all which of all the different labels it should use for that concept.

So what might happen is that the model then starts to overfit on the tiny variations of the individual silence segments, in a desperate attempt to devise some kind of system behind the all the different "silence" labels - which will of course go wrong spectacularly as such a system doesn't exist. (Or if it does, is entirely accidental and not something that should be learned)

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by DANmode »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #145
Xmd5a wrote: post #92

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faster-whisper has a min_silence_duration_ms option

There are much higher quality VAD solutions available

Please name a couple to get someone started who's hacking on webapps?

I'd really appreciate it.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by BobbyTables2 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #196
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #181

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There is so much damning evidence that AI companies have committed absolutely shocking amounts of piracy, yet nothing is being done. It only highlights how the world really works. If you have money you get to do whatever the fuck you want. If you're just a normal person you get to spend years in jail or worse. Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GptobqPsvg

There's actually a lot of court activity on this topic, but the law moves slowly and is reluctant to issue injunctions where harm is not obvious. It's more that the law about "one guy decides to pirate twelve movies to watch them at home and share with his buddies" is already well-settled, but the law about "a company pirates 10,000,000 pieces to use as training data for an AI model (a practice that the law already s…

What’s ironic to me is that had these companies pirated only a single work, wouldn’t that be a chargeable crime?

Clearly Bonnie and Clyde shouldn’t have been prosecuted. Imagine they were just robbing banks for literary research purposes. They could have then used the learnings to write a book and sell it commercially…

Or imagine one cracks 10000 copyrighted DVDs and then sells 30 second clips… (a derived work).

To me, for profit companies and universities have a huge difference — the latter is not seeking to directly commercially profit from copyrighted data.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by DANmode »

DANmode wrote: post #338
wahnfrieden wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are much higher quality VAD solutions available

Please name a couple to get someone started who's hacking on webapps? I'd really appreciate it.

(as would future readers, I'm sure)
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