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I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by prmoustache »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #258
aucisson_masque wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s an interesting take but I believe most people just prefer bigger phone. I know it’s weird to those of us who like the opposite and funnily enough it’s often women who have gigantic phone, which they can’t put in their tiny jean pocket. I don’t explain it and every time I get explained they like it better because it’s got bigger battery and bigger screen, I just don’t understand how you could live your life with…

> I know it’s weird to those of us who like the opposite and funnily enough it’s often women who have gigantic phone, which they can’t put in their tiny jean pocket. Most women carry their phone in a hand bag anyway as the pockets on most pants for women are way to small either way [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/style/pockets-womens-clot...

Most women pants have no or fake pockets anyway, So the smartphone to pants pocket size relationship is usually only a parameter for men.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by tauntz »

I switched from a Pixel 3a to an iPhone 16 and it really bothers me that it's way too huge for everyday usage. Maybe I have extremely short thumbs but here's the maximum reach I have on the screen when I hold my phone "normally" in my hand: https://i.postimg.cc/Cx97jxLZ/iphone16reach.png - I can't reach the upper part of the screen at all, without doing finger-gymnastics or using my other hand. I'd love to switch to a phone that is 50-60%% of the size of the iPhone 16 but there are essentially no (modern) options for this. It's really a bummer :(

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by mnmalst »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #29

6" doesn't register as small to me at all lol. The HTC 8X was 4.3" and that was a "normal" sized phone for me. I used the Palm Phone (PVG100) (3.3" screen) (basically the size of a credit card) [ https://www.ricklohre.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/dsc_097... ] as long as I could until it became too slow to use as software got slower and increasingly battery-hungry and I had to give it up last year. Right now I have…

Thanks for all the interesting links, the bluefox-nx1-specifically looks interesting to me. Do you have any information how are handling the new EU law, which requires 5 years of security updates? https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/news/new-eu-rules...

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by theshackleford »

const_cast wrote: post #158
theshackleford wrote: post #117

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> they are awkward and cumbersome to use. For you. As someone with large hands, I appreciate that phones grew in size and I swapped to larger devices as soon as I could.

For... well, most people. Half of people are women, so I don't know how they do it. I'm a man, with man hands, and modern phones are not one hand operable. You need two hands. Even if you can do a particular operation with one hand, the phone is unsteady and it's awkward. I think people with large hands are definitely the minority. So, we're not optimizing for hand size. We're optimizing for engagement, I think.

> For... well, most people.

You don’t speak for most people. You can only speak for yourself. The feelings of “Most people” are clear as demonstrated by the market; they not only find large phones fine, they find them preferable.

> modern phones are not one hand operable

So? I mean for me they are so it’s irrelevant, but what should it matter if they are not? The market obviously does not share your interest in devices to be operated in such a manner as a priority or something of particular importance.

That being said, it’s of course unfortunate that if that is your preference, that nothing in the market caters for it. Your preferences and wants are obviously entirely valid and it’s a shame there is no interest even from a boutique vendor in meeting them.

I have plenty of preferences for products that are not catered too, as I am sure is true for us all and of course I don’t love it, but I must live in the reality that the larger market doesn’t always want what I do.

> We’re optimizing for engagement

The market is optimizing for what consumers asked for, which was larger devices. You say I am in a minority, I claim equally that you are in a minority as well.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by prmoustache »

pclowes wrote: post #229
scarface_74 wrote: post #65

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What Linux computer can you buy with the battery life, quietness, lack of heat and speed of a modern ARM based Mac? As far as phones - your alternative is to buy an Android phone with an operating system by an ad company that is also pushing AI just as hard. And you still end up getting most apps from the Google Play Store. By the way, iMessage supports SMS/MMS/RCS for interoperability. What else do you want?

I think there are a lot of offerings out there now. Maybe not to the minute with respect to battery life but Apples chip advantage is steadily evaporating. I typically don't need more than 8 hours of battery personally. Have heard good things about framework computers. As a more efficient chip or battery comes out you just upgrade that component if your use case requires it.

Most people don't really need more than 2 hours of battery life anyway[1] as their laptops barely ever leave the house. >8H of battery is nice to have but it is really an important parameter for a specific population while for others it is just convenience. I wouldn't trade an OS/desktop I don't like over my linux setup just because it last longer when I never need more than a couple of hours on battery[3].

[1] which means you need a 4 to 6h range when new if you don't plan to replace the battery too often

[2] students, construction companies, people who are always on the road...

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by volemo »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #317

> $700-800 I can. Nothing will make happier than ditching Apple and get a smaller Android phone. In fact the size of iPhone 5s was the only reason that had piqued my interest and I had migrated to the iPhones. Then I stayed for other (and important) reasons. > Stock Android OS Ah, no. I take that back. That is not going to be worth 700-800 just for the size! In fact take more and put it to a fight which tries to forc…

Doesn't "unlockable bootloader" requirement solve this problem?

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by volemo »

mpweiher wrote: post #241

I just want an iPhone Mini-sized iPhone. It's OK if they just make one every couple of years. But please: at least every couple of years.

I don't care how often they make it as long as they release a new one before discontinuing the previous one. %(

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by volemo »

vintagedave wrote: post #315
chartered_stack wrote: post #292

I'm a convert on this topic. I went from wanting a small phone to being unable to wait to ditch mine. Like the OP, I switched from Android (Pixel 3a) to an iPhone SE 3 specifically for the smaller form factor. After using it for over a year, I've found the trade-offs in battery life and camera quality are too significant for my daily use. These limitations aren't an issue when I'm at home or my desk with easy access…

> carrying a dedicated camera, a power bank, and using wired peripherals I'm a small-phone person, and I don't think these _should_ be necessary. I'm fine with wired peripherals (and prefer them), but in 2025, with efficient chips, I don't see why we can't power a device much longer than 24 hours. What if it had decade-old hardware, and -- this is the bit I think is the problem -- the operating system and apps were e…

> but in 2025, with efficient chips, I don't see why we can't power a device much longer than 24 hours.

That is only possible if we don't write the software with dozen layers of abstraction and gimmicky features (looking at you, Liquid Glass!).

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by scarface_74 »

prmoustache wrote: post #335
pclowes wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are a lot of offerings out there now. Maybe not to the minute with respect to battery life but Apples chip advantage is steadily evaporating. I typically don't need more than 8 hours of battery personally. Have heard good things about framework computers. As a more efficient chip or battery comes out you just upgrade that component if your use case requires it.

Most people don't really need more than 2 hours of battery life anyway[1] as their laptops barely ever leave the house. >8H of battery is nice to have but it is really an important parameter for a specific population while for others it is just convenience. I wouldn't trade an OS/desktop I don't like over my linux setup just because it last longer when I never need more than a couple of hours on battery[3]. [1] which…

Is that where we are going? Most people don’t need a laptop that has more than 2 hours battery life?

When I was in the office full time in the bad old days, you would be in a conference room and every one would plug their laptops in.

After I started working remotely and still doing business trips, one charge could last a full day either going back and forth between conference rooms, in “war rooms” etc and no one with M series MacBooks even worried about charging.

Heck my MacBook Pro (work laptop) can last a full day on power with my portable USB C powered external monitor where the power and video come from one cord.

Not to mention on flights with layovers.

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