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Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by adrianh »

shermantanktop wrote: post #295
adrianh wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't fully understand your comment, but Soundslice has had first-class support for tablature for more than 10 years now. There's an excellent built-in tab editor, plus importers for various formats. It's just the ASCII tab support that's new.

I’m not super familiar with Soundslice. But all the tab users I know use guitar pro or maybe ultimate guitar, and none of them can read standard notation on its own. Does Soundslice have a lot of tab-first users?

Yes, Soundslice has a ton of tab-first users. And in fact the primary reason I founded the site was to scratch my own itch of being able to create tab that's synced with real audio recordings. (I'm a guitarist myself.)

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by mikanystrom »

CrazyStat wrote: post #214
kragen wrote: post #207

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That doesn't make sense. It's like saying that the best general advice about which way to turn when you're driving is to turn right. From your comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44493308 , and from the fact that you used the passive voice in your comment ("they should be avoided") apparently without noticing, it appears that the reason you have this opinion is that you don't know what the passive voice i…

I can’t find it, but I remember reading an article a year or two ago with an analysis showing some of the most vocal critics of the passive voice used the passive voice more often than most of their contemporary writers.

I'm extremely critical of how people use hyphens. Partly because I'm a heavy hyphen-user myself!

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by AdrianB1 »

normie3000 wrote: post #90
suzzer99 wrote: post #53

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> Sometimes it comes up with a better approach than I had thought of. IMO this has always been the killer use case for AI—from Google Maps to Grammarly. I discovered Grammarly at the very last phase of writing my book. I accepted maybe 1/3 of its suggestions, which is pretty damn good considering my book had already been edited by me dozens of times AND professionally copy-edited. But if I'd have accepted all of Gram…

What's wrong with passive?

Passive is too human. We need robot-styles communications, next step is to send json.

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by alex-moon »

Here's the thing: I don't think ChatGPT per se was the impetus to develop this new feature. The impetus was learning that your customers desire it. ChatGPT is operating as the kind of "market research" tool here, albeit it in a really unusual, inverted way. That said, if someone could develop a market research tool that worked this way, i.e. users went to it instead of you have to use it to go to users, I can see it making quite a packet.

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by cgriswald »

kragen wrote: post #265
dmoy wrote: post #257

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> the best general advice about which way to turn At the risk of derailing into insane pedantry land, this part is kinda true, so maybe not the best analogy? From routing efficiency: https://www.ge.com/news/reports/ups-drivers-dont-turn-left-p... And also safety: https://www.phly.com/rms/blog/turning-left-at-an-intersectio...

If you always turn right at every intersection, you will just go around and around the same block. Which way you should turn depends on where you want to go.

You didn’t originally say anything about always turning right at every intersection and neither did the GP. I had the same two thoughts as GP when I read your analogy.

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by junon »

djtango wrote: post #305
kragen wrote: post #30

I've found this to be one of the most useful ways to use (at least) GPT-4 for programming. Instead of telling it how an API works, I make it guess, maybe starting with some example code to which a feature needs to be added. Sometimes it comes up with a better approach than I had thought of. Then I change the API so that its code works. Conversely, I sometimes present it with some existing code and ask it what it does…

In essence, a LLM is a crystallisation of a large corpus human opinion and you are using that to focus group your API as it is representative of a reasonable third party perspective?

Yeah, basically. For example, it's really good at generating critical HN comments. Whenever I have a design or an idea I formulate it to GPT and ask it to generate a bunch of critical HN comments. It usually points out stuff I hadn't considered, or at least prepares me to think about and answer the tough questions.

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by dotancohen »

kragen wrote: post #30

I've found this to be one of the most useful ways to use (at least) GPT-4 for programming. Instead of telling it how an API works, I make it guess, maybe starting with some example code to which a feature needs to be added. Sometimes it comes up with a better approach than I had thought of. Then I change the API so that its code works. Conversely, I sometimes present it with some existing code and ask it what it does…

  > I don't have to spend my time carefully tracking down the bugs GPT-4 has cunningly concealed in its code
If anyone is stuck in this situation, give me a holler. My Gmail username is the same as my HN username. I've always been the one to hunt down my coworkers' bugs, and I think I'm the only person on the planet will finds it enjoyable to find ChatGPT'S oversights and sometimes seemingly malicious intent.

I'll charge you, don't get me wrong, but I'll save you time, money, and frustration. And future bug reports and security issues.

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by Thorrez »

adrianh wrote: post #331
shermantanktop wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not super familiar with Soundslice. But all the tab users I know use guitar pro or maybe ultimate guitar, and none of them can read standard notation on its own. Does Soundslice have a lot of tab-first users?

Yes, Soundslice has a ton of tab-first users. And in fact the primary reason I founded the site was to scratch my own itch of being able to create tab that's synced with real audio recordings. (I'm a guitarist myself.)

When I read the blog post, I thought it was saying that Soundslice didn't have any tab support.

The comparison of "we expect this (classical notation screenshot) but instead got this (ascii tab screenshot)" made me think that the only thing Soundslice supported was classical notation.

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by dotancohen »

csinode wrote: post #271
jll29 wrote: post #169

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> The problem is executives want to completely remove humans from the loop, which almost universally leads to disastrous results Thanks for your words of wisdom, which touch on a very important other point I want to raise: often, we (i.e., developers, researchers) construct a technology that would be helpful and "net benign" if deployed as a tool for humans to use, instead of deploying it in order to replace humans.…

The problem here is societal, not technological. An end state where people do less work than they do today but society is more productive is desirable, and we shouldn't be trying to force companies/governments/etc to employ people to do an unnecessary job. The problem is that people who are laid off often experience significant life disruption. And people who work in a field that is largely or entirely replaced by te…

  > the fact people having their jobs replace by technology are completely screwed over is a result of the society we have all created together, it's not a rule of nature.
How did the handloom weavers and spinners handle the rise of the machines?

Re: Adding a feature because ChatGPT incorrectly thinks it exists

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Post by JimDabell »

gortok wrote: post #254

I think folks have taken the wrong lesson from this. It’s not that they added a new feature because there was demand. They added a new feature because technology hallucinated a feature that didn’t exist. The savior of tech, generative AI, was telling folks a feature existed that didn’t exist. That’s what the headline is, and in a sane world the folks that run ChatGPT would be falling over themselves to be sure it did…

You sound like all the naysayers when Wikipedia was new. Did you know anybody can go onto Wikipedia and edit a page to add a lie‽ How can you possibly trust what you read on there‽ Do you think Wikipedia should issue groveling apologies every time it happens?

Meanwhile, sensible people have concluded that, even though it isn’t perfect, Wikipedia is still very, very useful – despite the possibility of being misled occasionally.

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