For the love of god please touch grass! Nobody outside your chronically online circle lives like this!
Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#332We live in increasingly complex societies with more and more demanding social dynamics. In the past, it was all much simpler, though at certain costs, that the article fails to mention or romanticises. Not all quirks were celebrated or "funny" and not all people survived to tell beautiful stories.
Moreover, a lot of things were simpler in ways that are becoming less and less ok. People now can divorce; marriage is not even need to start a family. Navigating relationship dynamics was simpler in the sense that there were (more or less) specific roles each gender should abide. Many marriages were arranged, especially if "it was taking you time", thus you did not have to figure out dating yourself.
I don't think that therapeutic discourse is a good strategy. Medicalising personhoods and relationships is bad, but going back to a (romanticised) past cannot be a solution at all. Raising to a higher consiousness would be an actual, good solution, but that takes time. It is uncertain if we have that with the speed that things move nowadays.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The feedback of reality will fix it, like for all young people. "A child who isn't disciplined at home, will be disciplined outside of the home" - old African proverb. The issue is kids growing up without being taught accountability, but instead that they're perpetual victims of "the system" created by evil old white men, and therefore nothing they do is ever their fault. This is the fault of the parents, school sys…
"Disciplined at home" is being a maybe not perpetual but victim of the system for something like 18 years though. I don't get where this idea that kids are coddled with comes from. They usually are not even allowed to wear the cloths they want or choose the food they want and get pushed around to silly extents. Kids almost never gets it their way.
In order to hold someone accountable for their actions you need to allow them a choice in the first place. Disallowing children from making choices is one way of protecting them from the consequences of a bad decision: by not allowing them to make it in the first place. That is what coddling is, protecting from the environment. Protecting them from the choice is just a more extreme version of shielding them from the consequences.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’t not it, what many disorders are describing isn’t just the obvious symptoms. ICE engines heat up because they burn fuel, but if it’s overheating in normal operation that’s from something else breaking down. Not that people are so simple, but that transition point to disorder often represents a meaningful transition.
Much like addiction, a key facet of a "diagnosed" disorder tends to be whether or not it (negatively) affects your life. As the guy said, if you think you hear voices but they tell you to go to sleep on time and do a good job at work, you probably don't need treatment.
> a key facet of a "diagnosed" disorder tends to be whether or not it (negatively) affects your life.
Which also brings us to an important point that is totally missed in the article and most of the discussion imo: maybe one of the (many) things that have changed is that lives are more negatively affected by stuff nowadays (or more reported to be so). We live in increasingly complex societies, we have to socialise with more and more people and navigate more demanding and fluid social dynamics. Traits that can be advantageous in a certain context can be disadvantageous in another (and affect one's life negatively).
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - if you give people the chance to place a label on themselves to give a name/form to a problem, they’ll take it. This one is widespread among the young people I’ve worked with recently. It’s remarkable how I can identify the current TikTok self diagnosis trends without ever watching TikTok. There’s a widespread belief that once you put a label on a problem, other people are not allowed to criticize you for it. Man…
This parallels the debate about free will and determinism. If you were in the determinist camp, believing that all that one does was predetermined by prior environmental causes, could you still hold people responsible for their actions? Hobart makes a convincing argument that you can: "Fatalism says that my morrow is determined no matter how I struggle. This is of course a superstition. Determinism says that my morro…
The dilemma of determinism has the other side - if free will is indeed truly free, i.e. it may introduce causes that themselves do not have causes, the accountability is lost as well, for there is no continuity.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#336Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…
This explains why the MBTI shit is so popular these days.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#337Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…
> - if you give people the chance to place a label on themselves to give a name/form to a problem, they’ll take it. This one is widespread among the young people I’ve worked with recently. It’s remarkable how I can identify the current TikTok self diagnosis trends without ever watching TikTok. There’s a widespread belief that once you put a label on a problem, other people are not allowed to criticize you for it. Man…
Some young people in that phase of their lives where they grow into being responsible for themselves start missing the times when they were not responsible and try to extend those times with any pretext they can come up with. It's quite human but should of course not be encouraged.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#338It’s surprising that this article doesn’t mention LGBT or disabilities at all. The same effect extends to those two. And, in the same vein, it’s females “buying” it. “…between 19% and 22% of women aged 18 to 25 identify as bi.” https://nypost.com/2023/04/18/gen-z-women-identify-as-bisexu...
Oooh, boy. Almost no-one wants to talk about it because it's considered harmful (or even taboo) to blame being gay and especially being trans on social contagion and similar phenomena.
If you point out that a controversial phenomenon is very dependent on social elements, you also invite discussions whether something should be fine-tuned in our society to influence it, which turns into a political issue.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is simultaneously funny and sad. I wonder when alcoholism will get a front row seat during zoom meetings (or even IRL meetings). "Can't help it hick I'm an alcoholic". I think a lot of societal change these days can be summarized by the idea that self-labeling is seen as transforming something into "everyone else's problem".
This is interesting point. Western society has basically built a hyper capitalist system that creates individualistic consumers, but has failed to hold individuals accountable to minimum standards. The bar has never been lower and we just sort of amble on as a lonely, isolated society so long as the stock market grows quarter to quarter.
It was created because those hyperindividual consumers will not enact any political change as it requires numbers and solidarity, something that our society of snowflakes finds disgusting. Everything else is a byproduct.
Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The feedback of reality will fix it, like for all young people. "A child who isn't disciplined at home, will be disciplined outside of the home" - old African proverb. The issue is kids growing up without being taught accountability, but instead that they're perpetual victims of "the system" created by evil old white men, and therefore nothing they do is ever their fault. This is the fault of the parents, school sys…
"Disciplined at home" is being a maybe not perpetual but victim of the system for something like 18 years though. I don't get where this idea that kids are coddled with comes from. They usually are not even allowed to wear the cloths they want or choose the food they want and get pushed around to silly extents. Kids almost never gets it their way.
> Kids almost never gets it their way.
Speak for yourself. I've seen 2 year olds being able to choose their clothes and if they don't get their way, they throw a temper tantrum so bad they vomit.
And I fear, the child will turn into another Cartman. I.e. spoiled beyond any belief.