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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by psadauskas » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:43 PM UTC

beanjammin wrote: post #67

archildress wrote: post #17

I just feel extremely sad about the mass quantity of events like this happening right now because they are all aggregate to huge negative effects but the average person knows nothing of it. It feels so unfixable.

They certainly want us to feel like its unfixable, but it's not. Were govt to put the effort into the energy transition that we saw in the early days of covid we could zero our emissions, and relatively quickly. The technology is largely available, it needs to be implemented. The ties between the fossil fuel industry and the far right are clear. Apathy, indifference, inertia, they are all products of propaganda and u…

All of this is extremely easily fixable, from a technical standpoint. But, every solution would make some rich guy very slightly less rich, so its going to be an uphill battle where we have to fight for each step.

If there's some proposed legislation that would make things notably better for 50 million people, but would cost an insurance company 100 million dollars, then that insurance company can spend any amount less than 100 million fighting the bill and still come out ahead. Even 10 million can buy a lot of lobbyists, and almost guarantee torpedoing the bill.

Meanwhile the 50 million people are working 80 hours/wk across three jobs just to put food on the table, are stressed about how to pay rent, and don't have the personal cell phone number of their congressperson even if they had the time and energy to call them.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by southernplaces7 » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:49 PM UTC

ychnd wrote: post #324

southernplaces7 wrote: post #320

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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:52 PM UTC

Buttons840 wrote: post #328

hollerith wrote: post #253

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Here's my estimate, taken mostly from figures from Apple's 2024 annual report (as reported by Gemini Flash). Apple's total worldwide revenue for fiscal year 2024 was $391.035 billion. The Americas Segment (which includes the US) represented $167.05 billion of that, leaving $224 billion for the rest of the world. Apple reports that their cost of goods sold was $210.352 billion, leaving 180.68 billion as so-called "gro…

Your argument is that Apple exports are 3% of exports then? Did I understand correctly?

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Post by southernplaces7 » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:53 PM UTC

xerox13ster wrote: post #323

southernplaces7 wrote: post #320

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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Depending on how you define the Ten Stages of Genocide, we for sure have crossed the 3rd stage of genocide with all the state level anti trans bills and Trumps executive orders, and they’ve also engaged in stages 4 and 6. They’re not pressing on the brake, there’s a lead block on the gas pedal and they have repeatedly professed…

>The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life.

Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any point.

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Post by lotsofpulp » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:53 PM UTC

epgui wrote: post #268

lotsofpulp wrote: post #245

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The new tax bill, which benefits asset owners (wealthy), older people, and the beneficiaries of the wealthy. When you have a population age histogram that is flattening and eventually an upside down triangle, you need some way of extracting labor from the young and giving it to the old (the chosen ones who can afford it) to maintain the socioeconomic hierarchy. The young without inheritances won’t ever have it as goo…

Right, because that’s a “smart” way to tackle the demographic collapse/crisis while totally not making the problem worse.

I don’t see a way to avoid population decline, assuming women have freedom and access to 100% effective birth control.

The whole process of pregnancy/birth//breastfeeding/infant rearing sucks, so that most women will opt for 1 or 2, max.

Then you have to account for all the men and women who opt to stay single (or queer or whatever). The number of women that need to have more than 2 kids to offset those with 0 and 1 will never happen.

The only possible mechanism to align incentives is to remove all old age benefits and wealth transfers, so that one likely has to depend on their children. But even then, I doubt it would work.

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Post by corey_moncure » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:53 PM UTC

ychnd wrote: post #324

southernplaces7 wrote: post #320

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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

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Post by aisenik » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

southernplaces7 wrote: post #330

aisenik wrote: post #326

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It is essential to understand the concepts involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide And then you can take your pick of media outlets. The Office Of Remigration is happening, they aren't hiding it. For example: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detai... This is just one clear-cut example of the adminis…

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Post by triceratops » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:04 PM UTC

epgui wrote: post #268

lotsofpulp wrote: post #245

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The new tax bill, which benefits asset owners (wealthy), older people, and the beneficiaries of the wealthy. When you have a population age histogram that is flattening and eventually an upside down triangle, you need some way of extracting labor from the young and giving it to the old (the chosen ones who can afford it) to maintain the socioeconomic hierarchy. The young without inheritances won’t ever have it as goo…

Right, because that’s a “smart” way to tackle the demographic collapse/crisis while totally not making the problem worse.

Why do we need to "tackle" the demographic collapse? The CEO of Ford just said he expects 50% of white-collar jobs to be eliminated soon. Tax the AI and you'll have plenty of money for retirees. There's nothing wrong with naturally, and gradually, going back to the population levels of 1980 or whatever.

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Post by hollerith » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:06 PM UTC

Buttons840 wrote: post #328

hollerith wrote: post #253

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Here's my estimate, taken mostly from figures from Apple's 2024 annual report (as reported by Gemini Flash). Apple's total worldwide revenue for fiscal year 2024 was $391.035 billion. The Americas Segment (which includes the US) represented $167.05 billion of that, leaving $224 billion for the rest of the world. Apple reports that their cost of goods sold was $210.352 billion, leaving 180.68 billion as so-called "gro…

Your argument is that Apple exports are 3% of exports then? Did I understand correctly?

"Exports" is hiding a lot of complexity here. Some export statistics might add the entire price of an iPhone to the export figure for China because that is where the final assembly is done even though (like my previous comment shows) about half of the money from that sale ends up in the hands of Apple's investors, US-based employees of Apple and such US-based suppliers as the companies that built Apple's headquarters and the companies that supply Apple's offices and data centers with electricity.

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Post by triceratops » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:16 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #288

HelloMcFly wrote: post #273

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> Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism Is this really what you think? That the people concerned about climate change are really just interested in changing economic policy? The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. > Let's get rich enough so ev…

> The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. Is that really controversial? Reducing consumption and crippling new economic developments like mining/pipelines/logging/large construction projects etc has always been a huge part of environmentalist movement. Even here in Canada whose economy depends heavily on oil, lumber, and mines...One of the biggest responses to US aggre…

That's not a motive, it's a consequence. There's a difference.

Is environmental destruction a motive of capitalism? Of course not, and it would be crazy to say that. So why say the opposite about environmentalists?