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Since a few days ago, I've been getting Captchas hourly or more. It's probably because I use Firefox on Linux with an ad blocker. For my part, I've ensured we don't use Cloudflare at work.
Using Linux is rare among the general public, but very normal among the kind of person who may find themselves working at Cloudflare or at a potential cloudflare partner/customer. I don't really buy the argument that they're pushing more captchas to you just because of using Firefox on Linux with an ad blocker.
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Forget the courts for a second, just ask yourself what is the right thing to do Forgetting the courts, whether reading the source code and learning from it is intended to count as "use" is not clear to me, and I would have guessed no. Using a tool and examining a tool are pretty different.
Context matters, right? Human reading code? Ambiguous. But I think you're using it. Running code? Not ambiguous. Machine processing code? I don't think that's ambiguous. It's using the code. A person is using the code to make their machine better. This really isn't that hard. Let's think about it this way. How do you use a book? I think you need to be careful that you're not justifying the answer you want and instead…
> How do you use a book?
I think that's a great example, actually! Imagine a book with a license saying that you could only read it if your goal was to promote the specific ideology, and quoting was only allowed to support that ideology. Reading it and then quoting it to debunk that ideology would be both legal and ethical.
With books, once you buy the copy you are free to read it, lend it, or resell it: a license can give you additional rights, but not restrict you further, nor should it.
> To quote Feynman (
Huh? Feynman didn't say that under MIT license.
Re: Cloudflare Introduces Default Blocking of A.I. Data Scrapers
#333This is interesting. I'm a fan of Cloudflare, and appreciate all the free tiers they put out there for many. Today I see this article about Cloudflare blocking scrapers. There are useful and legitimate cases where I ask Claude to go research something for me. I'm not sure if Cloudflare discerns legitimate search/research traffic from an AI client vs scraping. Of the sites that are blocked by default will include cont…
It seems like search access is more valuable these days since reasoning requires realtime access to site data.
Owning demand for X is what a lot of startups are about.
I think Sparktoro had some information that the majority of people are not doing search on AI, and it's still web 90%+ or something like that.
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Nobody is talking about a vibe coded app. I want to block AI scrapers entirely.
point is, why do you care if your site can handle the traffic? there's no (malicious) bot detection that won't impact a portion of real users. accept that fact and just let it be. poisoning data in ways that's obvious to the false positive user is a much better option.
I really doubt any legit user is using a weird user agent and an IP address in the same AS as an AI slop crawler
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
point is, why do you care if your site can handle the traffic? there's no (malicious) bot detection that won't impact a portion of real users. accept that fact and just let it be. poisoning data in ways that's obvious to the false positive user is a much better option.
I really doubt any legit user is using a weird user agent and an IP address in the same AS as an AI slop crawler
You'd be surprised. Your users too, but you wouldn't know because they will not be able to tell you.
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Serious question: You put Cloudflare between all your domains and all your visitors without looking in to how this would affect your site's reachability? If so, that's interesting, considering that many people in this community are negatively affected by Cloudflare because they're using Linux and/or some less than mainstream browser. You might want to read some threads on here about Cloudflare.
Where did I say all. Most of the time I don't use them for their network, usually just DNS records for mail because their interface is nicer than namecheap and gives me basic stats. To my understanding, they aren't blocking MX records behind captchas
You're right that you didn't say all. What you did write implied you use them for "AI protection", although you didn't say you did do that.
So if I wrote, "You would put" instead of "You put", then what? Would you be comfortable using their "AI protection" simply because it's free?
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where did I say all. Most of the time I don't use them for their network, usually just DNS records for mail because their interface is nicer than namecheap and gives me basic stats. To my understanding, they aren't blocking MX records behind captchas
You're right that you didn't say all. What you did write implied you use them for "AI protection", although you didn't say you did do that. So if I wrote, "You would put" instead of "You put", then what? Would you be comfortable using their "AI protection" simply because it's free?
AI protection isn't a selling point for me. What I have said is I use them for DNS records, primarily for mx and txt records
Re: Cloudflare Introduces Default Blocking of A.I. Data Scrapers
#338The headline is somewhat misleading: sites using Cloudflare now have an opt-in option to quickly block all AI bots, but it won't be turned on by default for sites using Cloudflare. The idea that Cloudflare could do the latter at the sole discretion of its leadership, though, is indicative of the level of power Cloudflare holds.
I would expect these features to be opt-in. Even though I agree with it, I would be pretty upset if they just turned it on automatically on my website.
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's *A* reason this u chief?
Does "a" not mean, one out of many in this context? I know English is not my first language, but I've always taken "a reason" to mean one of many.
You said:
> there is a reason
What's in the garage? There's a car. I wouldn't expect to walk in and find many cars.
Had you said:
> this is a reason
that would convey it was one among potentially many.
Either way my comment wasn't even about you, it was about Reddit, so idk why you got riled up.
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So you're not using the parasite and that's your claim why it's not a parasite?
Dude, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they weren't bad. Some nicer people here tried the educative approach and it worked much better. I learned about Bunny. And I keep forgetting I have a few in deSec but that has a limit. I do not understand the hostility
I never said you did?
You said one response up that they weren't parasites by asking how they were parasites and then proceeded to claim you have no experience with their parasitic services.
I'm just pointing out your anecdote wasn't valid.