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The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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Only more mental exercises to avoid reading the writing on the wall: LLM DO NOT REASON ! THEY ARE TOKEN PREDICTION MACHINES Thank you for your attention in this matter!

What LLMs lack is emotions, because thanks to emotions people build great fortresses (fear, insecurity) or break limits (courage, risk).

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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"Wow, AI will replace programming languages by allowing us to code in natural language!" "Actually, you need to engineer the prompt to be very precise about what you want to AI to do." "Actually, you also need to add in a bunch of "context" so it can disambiguate your intent." "Actually English isn't a good way to express intent and requirements, so we have introduced protocols to structure your prompt, and various k…

Only without all that pesky determinism and reproducibility. (Whoever's about to say "well ackshually temperature of zero", don't.)

You forgot about lower performance and efficiency. And longer build/run cycles. And more hardware/power usage.

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? What is so special about reasoning that you cannot achieve by predicting tokens aka. constructing sentences?

If you don't understand the difference between a LLM and yourself, then you should talk to a therapist, not me.

At least LLMs attempt to answer the question. You just avoided it without any reasoning.

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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> Building powerful and reliable AI Agents is becoming less about finding a magic prompt or model updates. Ok, I can buy this > It is about the engineering of context and providing the right information and tools, in the right format, at the right time. when the "right" format and "right" time are essentially, and maybe even necessarily, undefined, then aren't you still reaching for a "magic" solution? If the definit…

At this point , due to non-deterministic nature and hallucination context engineering is pretty much magic. But here are our findings.

1 - LLM Tends to pick up and understand contexts that comes at top 7-12 lines.Mostly first 1k token is best understood by llms ( tested on Claude and several opensource models ) so - most important contexts like parsing rules need to be placed there.

2 - Need to keep context short . Whatever context limit they claim is not true . They may have long context window of 1 mil tokens but only up to avg 10k token have good accuracy and recall capabilities , the rest is just bunk , just ignore them. Write the prompt and try compressing/summerizing it without losing key information manually or use of LLM.

3 - If you build agent-to-agent orchestration , don't build agents with long context and multiple tools, break them down to several agents with different set of tools and then put a planning agent which solely does handover.

4 - If all else fails , write agent handover logic in code - as it always should.

From building 5+ agent to agent orchestration project on different industries using autogen + Claude - that is the result.

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

#336

Only more mental exercises to avoid reading the writing on the wall: LLM DO NOT REASON ! THEY ARE TOKEN PREDICTION MACHINES Thank you for your attention in this matter!

"Any sufficiently advanced prediction is indistinguishable from reasoning" (/s... maybe.)

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is reasoning? And how is it apparent that LLMs can't reason? The reality for me is that they are not perfect at reasoning and have many quirks, but it seems to be that they are able to form new conclusions based on provided premises. Genuinely curious why you think they can't.

> Genuinely curious why you think they can't. Show me _ANY_ example of novel thought by a LLM.

Well... define "thought."

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

#338

Only more mental exercises to avoid reading the writing on the wall: LLM DO NOT REASON ! THEY ARE TOKEN PREDICTION MACHINES Thank you for your attention in this matter!

It's ironic how people write this without a shred of reasoning. This is just _wrong_. LLMs are not simply token prediction machines since GPT-3.

During pre-training, yeah they are. But there's a ton of RL being done on top after that.

If you want to argue that they can't reason, hey fair be my guest. But this argument keeps getting repeated as a central reason and it's just not true for years.

Re: The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering

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I agree with everything in the blog post. What I'm struggling with right now is the correct way of executing things the most safe way but also I want flexibility for LLM. Execute/choose function from list of available fns is okay for most use cases, but when there is something more complex, we need to somehow execute more things from allowed list, do some computations in between calls etc.
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