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Post by rpdillon »

JimDabell wrote: post #156
rpdillon wrote: post #136

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I disagree with you. I think the majority of Apple's promises are purely marketing. And this is a moment where the mask has slipped. Your account does not allow for the case where Apple can successfully convince their users that they are privacy-oriented while simultaneously not being privacy oriented. A great example of this is that they say that iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and then the second you have an iClo…

> they say that iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and then the second you have an iCloud backup that's completely broken. It’s not completely broken. For average users, erring on the side of being able to restore from backup is the best choice. For people who need more security, that’s what Advanced Data Protection is for. You have the choice of which option suits you best; I think the default is appropriate for typi…

I sense that you're arguing in good faith, but your first argument is very strange.

The purpose of end-to-end encryption is that the messages cannot be read even by Apple. This is a feature that they advertise in their webpage about iMessage security.

All I'm saying is that a bunch of people believe that iMessage supports end-to-end encryption and at the same time know that their messages are encrypted by a key that Apple holds and can decrypt them with via iCloud backup.

That's quite literally marketing a privacy-centric product and having the reality (for the vast majority of users using the defaults) be substantially different than what was promised.

To put it even more starkly, Apple advertises that they can't read your messages, and yet they can.

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Post by surgical_fire »

hliyan wrote: post #217
somenameforme wrote: post #161

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Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Maturity/commoditization of technology (a good thing) can only be seen as problematic in a world where steady-state businesses with steady profits are seen as "stagnant", and only companies that delivers (or at least promises) perpetual growth are seen as successful. Apple has been wildly successful. There has to be a world in which such a company can benefit from a demand spike without betting its entire future on t…

> Maturity/commoditization of technology (a good thing)

We are in a forum were more than once I have seen people deriding mature companies as "mediocre" because of "moderate profits".

This idea that line must eternally go up and growth must be infinite is pervasive, no matter how destructive it is.

The result is this unholy abomination of a union of hustle-culture and rent-seeking.

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Post by yomismoaqui »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

> Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem

Sorry, having seen the sappy photo of Ive & Altman I cannot trust his taste.

https://in.mashable.com/tech/94502/sam-altman-taps-worlds-gr...

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Post by hylaride »

michaelt wrote: post #258
andy99 wrote: post #243

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If they are offering value add services, I'd much rather pay for them directly than have them subsidized be ads, sort of analogous to MS Office 365 (ideally with better privacy). Maybe a direct pay model doesn't have enough reach for a big company in which case hopefully we'll get a Kagi-style paid phone OS from someone.

Unfortunately even if you're paying for the hardware, and paying monthly for iCloud, and paying 30% of every app and in-app purchase Apple still won't give you an ad-free experience. The cash brought in by ads is concrete, quantifiable, and can be attributed to specific people. The lost sales and eroded brand trust are almost impossible to measure or attribute. This means it's very easy for businesses to (inadvertent…

On top of that, Apple users tend to be in the upper half of the income distribution - like in the USA iPhones are 55-60% of the market, but that skyrockets to well over 80% in the upper income half.

There's a reason advertisers salivate at that (and why Google gives Apple billions to default to Google search).

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Post by roody15 »

pas wrote: post #324
hopelite wrote: post #255

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I would say it’s simpler than that. Between Wall Street demanding “growth” and the executives’ stock options being tied to meeting those numbers, they always pull out any and all stops to push “growth”. As others have implied, with people like Jobs and others gone, there is also no cultural resistance based on core values that created Apple to push back on shameless debasement. It is also what is happening all over t…

> resistance to growth at all costs is futile humans want to improve their (material) conditions, it's pretty much the thing we do at this point (that other species don't really) the issue that was a bit of an inconvenience, a mere side-effect of our culture is nowadays burning down the whole shebang we overvalue short-term gains (thus we have serious agent-principal and integrity issues), we have a laundry list of c…

“ we overvalue short-term gains (thus we have serious agent-principal and integrity issues),”

Agree and would even make the argument that Chinas rise in some is a response to short term with patience.

China is willing to move mountains and allow western corporations 8-10 years of ridiculous low labor costs and promote incredible profits. They then learn the process and the tech and now companies like TP-link, Huawei, BYD, tencent, and so forth are all legit and make good products. This approach can even be seen in their military. With all the talk of China invading Taiwan… the reality is it just won’t happen. China will patiently build the largest Navy and infiltrate the political landscape of Taiwan until they just peacefully transfer back into the fold.

Not sure what the answer is here but perhaps we could learn something back ?

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Post by rsaz »

bix6 wrote: post #179
gyomu wrote: post #145

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> Now Apple has become just another cooperate entity but with design team holding sufficient political power. You’d be surprised to hear how much the political power of the design team within Apple has eroded over the last decade. Here’s a little game of insider Apple baseball: 1) why do you think the chief of design isn’t on this page? https://www.apple.com/leadership/ 2) from the SVPs on that same page, who do you…

I didn’t have a proper guess for 1 but I was correct on 2. The answer to 1 is rather disappointing. To keep the guessing game going: what percent of Apple is owned by institutional investors?

what are the answers?

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Post by dimal »

I think Apple may be in the process of being enshittified. Stuff like this, their complete failure to do anything useful with AI, the anti-accessibility of a Liquid Glass, and the simple observation of how many things in the Apple ecosystem don’t “just work” is making me feel like giving up on it.

I spend an enormous amount of money on Apple products, and increasingly they lead to frustration and anger at the thoughtlessness and plain shittiness of them. I’m really wondering why I bother. They clearly don’t have my interests in mind.

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Post by bigyabai »

jb1991 wrote: post #9
rafaelmn wrote: post #6

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What do you mean start monetizing ? I get adds for their Apple Arcade trial on top of my iOS settings main screen. I really hate Apple - but what's stopping me from moving out of the ecosystem is that nobody else builds shit that works and is on same level. The M Pro series processor is only touchable by that one AMD chip you can't get anywhere. Windows is garbage and Linux is a part time job. Android is even worse i…

You are correct that, just like in politics, you have to pick the best among problematic choices, which will often be Apple.

Isn't politics famous for moralizing inherently immoral decisions, such that people forget how to engage in constructive discourse and resign themselves to tribalism? Doesn't that process inherently degrade the quality of both politics and technology?

Maybe I'm alone, but one of the few reasons I care about technology is to not treat it like politics or fairy magic.

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Post by thrashh »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

A lot of people like Apple because it was built on Jobs’ taste and they liked Jobs’ taste.

With Jobs gone, it still has a taste but it someone else’s taste.

That said, I think some people have developed their own original taste but some people’s tastes are just an amalgamation of the people around them.

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Post by ponector »

sethops1 wrote: post #206
kccqzy wrote: post #177

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As soon as I see one violation, I turn off the notification permission altogether. For example the Amazon shopping app can't send me notifications.

I'm at the point where literally only the messages, clock, and maps apps can send me notifications.

That is an awesome idea! To send ads from messages app.
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