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unihertz makes small phones!
Indeed. But sadly, they don't update them. The Unihertz Jelly Star is stuck on the June 2023 (yes... 2 years ago!) Android security update.
Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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> then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses If they can be used like that, why couldn't they be used... as phones? Changing phone every two years is not sustainable, even if the old phone is used as an IoT wall terminal: it's still "consuming" one phone every two years. In a sense, an old phone in a drawer uses less energy than an old phone staying powered to control a…
People will usually only carry one phone, and they'll want one that is capable of running recent apps, storing their photos and music, and also taking high quality photos. If you upgrade a phone to get a new one with a better camera, well, the processor on the old one is probably decent still, it could be a mini PC where the camera quality doesn't matter. Also, it's a status symbol, you can't just _not_ upgrade.
This is a huge part of the change we need. I felt proud in a way to show off that I was still using an iPhone 8 until a couple of years ago, and I admire some (techy) people I know still using a phone from that time.
Is pride a healthy, wholesome motivator? May be not, but we're human.
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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What about alternatives like CalyxOS or /e/OS? GrapheneOS is aiming at the best possible security, so they won't compromise. CalyxOS and /e/OS run on FairPhones (though it seems like /e/OS is more into privacy and less into security).
There is no alternative. /e/ and others dont even come close. Security is one thing, the privacy they(GrapheneOS) provide is another. You can have privacy without every detail of security they require. While they refuse to provide privacy without security. Thats why I buy Pixels and feel more and more dirty each time I do it. Had sailfish in between but that is another set of problems, Jolla failing to realize, they…
Can you elaborate on that? Say I install LineageOS without Google Services and without microG, would you say it's bad in terms of privacy?
Or are you saying that microG is the issue?
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
#334Was lucky enough to get my Fairphone 4 on sale, but I'd happily pay full price now - even though the Fairphones are pricey for the specs, unless you absolutely need 24 cores etc. I'd say they are worth it, knowing the company is at least trying to improve the parts supply chain, and knowing you stand a chance of fixing the devices yourself (luckily I've only had to replace the USB-C port, which was trivial) About the…
The removal of the phone jack is so obviously planned obsolescence, it is ironic that this project for sustainability follows the trend. Wired headphones still have better sound quality. Don't need charging. Don't break with software update. But because of that it means less consumption. Think about how insane it is that companies can remove the phone jack and glue in the battery with the very obvious goal of planned…
Expensive yes, but planned obsolescence? Meh.. I also got an (Apple branded even) USB-C to headphone jack plug which also work flawlessly, so I really don't see the issue here.
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
#335All phones eventually become obsolete, but their guts could be used in so many ways. I'd love for example if someone made an enclosure acting also as multi port docking station so that old phones with unlocked bootloader (Fairphone being one of them) could be reflashed with a different operating system then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses. Seeing all that perfectl…
Citronics from Brussels does that with Fairphone 3 hardware. https://citronics.eu/
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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There is no alternative. /e/ and others dont even come close. Security is one thing, the privacy they(GrapheneOS) provide is another. You can have privacy without every detail of security they require. While they refuse to provide privacy without security. Thats why I buy Pixels and feel more and more dirty each time I do it. Had sailfish in between but that is another set of problems, Jolla failing to realize, they…
> There is no alternative. /e/ and others dont even come close. Can you elaborate on that? Say I install LineageOS without Google Services and without microG, would you say it's bad in terms of privacy? Or are you saying that microG is the issue?
I dont use Android because I like it. I use it because I am forced to use it, without it I cant connect to corporate VPN, cant even take public transport (actually I can use NFC card and take a lot of care never to lose money on it, to drive to first place where I can charge it). Banking software. Update firmware for my headset.
Then there come the fishy practices of applications, full of advertising kits stealing information, where HelloWorld app is 90MB apk, as it has Facebook SDK included. You can partially protect yourself with https://netguard.me/, but even I can avoid it (wont explain how, typical android developer doesnt know much beyond java and I dont want to shoot myself in a foot helping them).
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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FairPhone used to be a manufacturer still doing the right things. My FP3 has all of that, including an official guide for unlocking the bootloader. At least they've kept their promises regarding updates, because I won't be buying their newer phones.
I find this comment really irritating, sorry. This is a thread about the upcoming fairphone, with people praising things done right. Your comment feel needlessly provocative with no information other than your negative opinion. You've implied Fairphone have turned crap, whilst mentioning a bunch of good stuff they've done, and then how you won't be buying their phones anymore. Seriously, what was the point of this co…
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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#339When unscrewed, users are likely to be greeted with an option to remove the battery as well as it isn’t attached to the device with the help of glue but rather with additional screws. What a horrible state of things that "not gluing the battery in place but screwing it in" is considered an improvement. IMHO smartphones have been on a horrible decline ever since ~2016. Before then, most Androids had [1] easily replace…
The old use case of wanting to easily swap batteries to keep the phone going isn’t something people care about anymore since we got a billion options for battery banks that works for all the USB-C devices we have.
Nobody cares about headphone jack anymore. It’s dead. Get over it. Why stick a crappy DAC and a bad and single-purpose bulky port in a device where space is critical, when 99% of users are not going to use it? Just stick a USB-C adapter on your headphones. Then you have a choice in DAC. I would much rather have two USB-C ports than a headphone jack.
Dual SIM is also rapidly becoming obsolete.
Micro SD would be nice still, I’ll give you that.
Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable
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Sure they have a mission. But sometimes mission can be done by taking 1 step back to later make 2 steps forward in fast pace. At the end all profit. While in current state, the culprit, Google profits. And please keep fallacies like "do it yourself" for yourself, I am talking about collaboration, feel free to open another thread on top level about forks. Same goes for /e/ ... they just dont compare. GrapheneOS has tw…
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This is not how we have civilized discussions. To say this just because you disagree with someone about the security of an OS...
Hope the mods see this.