A relevant f-droid search: * https://search.f-droid.org/?q=Menstrual All of the apps that showed up in the search store data locally. Why would anyone not want to store this sort of data locally? What is the advantage of sending the data off to a server somewhere?
Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
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#332There's a FOSS alternative called Drip. https://dripapp.org/ It is funded by Mozilla and Open Knowledge Foundation. Available on iOS and Android.
Mensinator is also another FOSS that uses no third party sdks and is reproducibly built for android, fairly actively used, and made by women. https://github.com/EmmaTellblom/Mensinator
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#333I have been thinking about building a privacy-first tracking app for years now.
The problem is that stuff like privacy and open source don't attract the vast sums of venture capital that ad-selling businesses do. Sure, an average dev could probably build a working app like that - but could you ship the same quality as someone who can afford to hire an entire UX team?
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#334They don't need apps to do this. I sat in a meeting with a data broker in 1998 where one of their managers was chuffed that they could determine menstrual cycles by analyzing purchasing records. And it wasn't hygiene products. Various foods and other spending patterns pop out after a 28-day correlation over groups of women that are artificially "synced" into cohort groups. This invasiveness will continue so long as t…
Can you elaborate? Because even with hygiene products, people buy them before they need them and stock up. And with food, you're often shopping for a week and for the whole family. You put things on a shopping list and don't buy them the same day you're using them, or even the same week. I suspect that even if the manager thought they could determine it, their actual "results" were entirely random. After all, how is…
By the way, I've seen self proclaimed male on social media posting how they use these trackers to predict their irresistible sushi cravings. Apparently, and contrary to intuition, men also have the cycle, just less obvious. Pelvis opening up and such.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
This looked promising, but the first two things I tried to record with it seemed just outside of its capabilities. I track blood pressure daily, but it didn’t seem to have a way to record a metric that has two numbers. In addition, I record the sodium and potassium values of everything I eat, and I want a way to record the name of the food item along with those two values (preferably providing a dropdown for previous…
Yeah, there is no support for “multi-dimensional” metrics. So systolic and diastolic would each have to be their own metric. Food tracking in Reflect could use some work, but if you link with Apple Health, Reflect can pull data from Cronometer or MyFitnessPal for example. Any particular place you thought the premium was very aggressive? I’m open to changing that, it’s not the kind of feedback we normally get. Thanks…
You really need to let people actually use the product with no commitment, see how it’s useful, and then bug them a month later.
Btw, I found a bug: on the page where there are three big buttons and the third is “load a csv”, the csv button isn’t clickable. Only the icon on it is.
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty sure all the data for all targeted advertisement is automatically collected? When I search for things on AliExpress, and then later browse the Internet, it shows me ads for those things. Your solution sounds equivalent to banning all advertising on the Internet essentially when I do a Google search for something am I consenting to see ads for that thing?
> Pretty sure all the data for all targeted advertisement is automatically collected? Sure is. > Your solution sounds equivalent to banning all advertising on the Internet Not at all. We made targeted advertising a central pillar of the Internet before we realized what that meant. We've normalized the notion of being spied on on the Internet at all times, but that's a choice we made (or perhaps didn't make) that can…
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#337While unlikely, I personally believe that advertising revenue should be taxed at 50%. This would do a lot to align industry incentives. Advertising revenue would be looked at less as a free cash stream that can be bolted on everywhere. In this case, maybe the app could be monetized directly instead of whatever the fuck is happening now.
Revenue isn't taxed. Profit is. I suppose you could tax a proportion of your profit at a higher rate, according to the proportion of your revenue that came from advertising. But advertising isn't a "free cash stream that can be bolted on everywhere". It's part of a business model that either is sustainable or isn't. If you taxed it that much higher, a lot of businesses would simply go out of business, because people…
You all participate in society, so you get it. Advertising has become a tragedy of the commons and 2nd order effects are things like negative engagement and body dysmorphia. There needs to be a vice tax for advertisements to stop them from being bolted on everywhere. Lobbyists, smart policy makers, economists and lawmakers can come together to find the right mix. However, we should disincentivize it AND use it to make up for budget shortfalls.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty sure all the data for all targeted advertisement is automatically collected? When I search for things on AliExpress, and then later browse the Internet, it shows me ads for those things. Your solution sounds equivalent to banning all advertising on the Internet essentially when I do a Google search for something am I consenting to see ads for that thing?
> Pretty sure all the data for all targeted advertisement is automatically collected? Sure is. > Your solution sounds equivalent to banning all advertising on the Internet Not at all. We made targeted advertising a central pillar of the Internet before we realized what that meant. We've normalized the notion of being spied on on the Internet at all times, but that's a choice we made (or perhaps didn't make) that can…
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
So... the risk to women's safety is that they might end up paying less for hygiene products?
No, the risk to women's safety is that someone the woman doesn't want to know, could find out that they're pregnant. (Or using birth control or whatever)