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Re: Cursor 1.0

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Post by sarmasamosarma »

fragmede wrote: post #227
prennert wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone know how Claude code compares to using Aider with anthropic API? I have been using the Claude.ai interface in the past and have switched to Aider with Anthropic API. I really liked Claude.ai but using Aider is a much better dev experience. Is Claude Code even better?

Claude Code (and Cursor, for that matter) don't commit to git. Fundamentally that's just bonkers to me. Aider does, so each prompt can be /undo 'd. I had a chance to use Cursor at work, and if that's how people are interacting with LLMs, it's no wonder we can't agree on this whole "are LLMs useful for programming" thing. ChatGPT Codex is on another level for agentic workflow though. It's been released to (some?) "plu…

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Post by nxobject »

apwell23 wrote: post #278
gazagoal wrote: post #154

As someone who has two annual subs of Cursor Pro (one from student account and another from Lenny's newsletter), I just spent $100 on Claude Code and I haven't touched Cursor AI for any coding tasks since. If you already spend anything near or over $100 on Cursor, it's no brainer. The agent experience is night and day. No more wrong tool-calling, premature ending of conversation, failure to apply changes or overwriti…

i get cursor pro sub from work but i feel claude code fomo from reading all the comparisons on the internet. am i missing that much ?

In a similar position – I get Cursor Pro on a free student plan, which means a lot on a student budget. It looks like Anthropic can afford not to offer a cheaper education plan directed to students do so for now.

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Post by lmeyerov »

christophilus wrote: post #302
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is a paid comment, in the sense that it's probably a bot. 22 day old account, with 1 post, praising Claude. For more than a year, Anthropic has engaged in an extensive guerrilla marketing effort on Reddit and similar developer-oriented platforms, aiming to persuade users that Claude significantly outperforms competitors in programming tasks, even though nearly all benchmarks indicate otherwise.

Well, I’m not a paid comment, and I agree 100% with the op, and have the exact same experience. I haven’t touched Cursor since paying for Claude Code (max or whatever the $100/mo plan is). That said, I never found Cursor very useful. Claude Code was useful out of the gate, so my experience may not be typical.

I recently wrote a 5+ page internal guide on how I do vibe coding and one of the first sections is cost

Keep in mind much of the guide is about how to move from 30s chats to doing concurrent 20min+ runs

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Spending

Claude Code $$$ - Max Plan FTW

TL;DR: Start with Claude Max Pro at $100/mo.

I was about $70/day starting day 2 via the pay-as-you-go plan. I bought in $25 increments to help pace. The Max Plan ($100/mo) became attractive around day 2-3, and on week 2 I shifted to $200/mo.

Annoyingly, you have to make the plan decision during your first login to Claude Code, which is confusing as I wanted to trial on pay-as-you-go. (That was a mistake: do Max Pro.) The upgrade flow is pretty broken from this perspective.

The Max Plan at the $100/mo level has a cooldown of 22 question / 5 hour: That does go by fast when your questions are small and get interrupted, or you get good at multitasking. By the time you are serious, the $200/mo is fine.

Other vibe IDEs & LLM providers $$$

I did anywhere from about 50K to 200K tokens a day on Claude 3.7 Sonnet during week 1 on pay-as-you-go, with about a ratio of 300:1 of tokens in:out. Max Plan does not report usage, but for periods I am using it, I expect my token counts to now be higher as I have gotten much better at doing long runs.

The equivalent in OpenAI of using gp4-4o and o3 would be $5-40/day on pay-as-you-go, which seems cheaper for using frontier models… until Max Pro gets factored in.

Capping costs

Not worrying about overages is typically liberating. Max Pro helps a lot here. One of my next experiments is seeing about self-hosting of reasoning models for other AI IDEs. Max Pro goes far, but to do automation and autonomy, and bigger jobs, you need more power.

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Post by tuesdaynight »

I trust that Claude Code is good, and I believe that most people commenting here are truthful to their experiences. However, I have a strange feeling that companies are using bots on these announcements comments.

Maybe I'm being overcautious, but one of the worst things (for me) that came from the AI rush of these past years is this feeling that everything is full of bots. I know that people have preferences, but I feel that I cannot trust anymore that a specific review was really made by a human. I know that this is not something new, but LLMs take it to the next level for me.

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Post by redserk »

eloisant wrote: post #265
bananapub wrote: post #256

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> Even in a European with lower wages compared to US, total cost of a developer will be minimum 5000 euros/per month. And that's just salary with all taxes, not accounting laptop costs, office space, etc. lolololol > You just need a 4% increase of productivity to make those $200 worth it. who “needs” that and who pays for it? the employer for both? high school economics class is not how the world works, regrettably.

I guess the world doesn't work like that because employers don't even understand high school economics. They'd rather have an employee spend 2 weeks on a task than shell out a few bucks at it, because they don't realize the 2 weeks of salary is more expensive than the external expense.

You’re making the erroneous assumption that the productivity gains would meaningfully generate revenue for the business to offset additional costs.

Plus development work is quite bursty — a productivity gain for developers does not necessarily translate into more prospects in a sales pipeline.

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

bravesoul2 wrote: post #173
JimDabell wrote: post #123

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The market for AI-assisted development is exploding and token costs are plummeting all the time. It makes sense for them to subsidise usage to capture market share in the short-term with the expectation that servicing their users will cost them less in the future.

There is no loyalty or lock in though. There is little real uniqueness. And everyone in AI is trying to make everyone else on AI the "commodity complement" It's like a horse race. But yeah enjoy the subsidies. It's like the cheap Ubers of yesteryear.

Yup. I hope local LLMs and hardware are fast enough a year or two from now when the subsidies run out.

Re: Cursor 1.0

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Post by rgbrenner »

Recently canceled cursor. I think there's a shift happening right now with the improvements in the ability to process large context sizes and stay on task:

Traditional code editing -> autocomplete -> file editing -> agent mode

This is basically a gradient of AI output sizes. Initially, with the ability to generate small snippets (autocomplete), and moving up to larger and larger edits across the codebase.

Cursor represents the initial step of AI-assisted traditional coding... but agent mode is reliable now, and can be directed fairly consistently to produce decent output, even in monorepos (IME). Once the output is produced by the agent, Ive found I prefer minimal to no AI for refining it and cleaning it up.

The development techniques are different. In agent mode, there's far more focus on structuring the project, context, and prompts.. which doesn't happen as much in the ai-autocomplete development flow. Once this process shift happened in my workflow, the autocomplete became virtually unused.

So I think this shift toward larger outputs favors agent-focused tools like CC, Aider, Cline, and RooCode (my personal favorite).. over more traditional interfaces with ai-assistance.

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Post by gwhr »

I've been using Cursor since they merged with Supermaven, but I'm concerned with how they handle controversial feedback on their subreddit.

Recently, there was a post with detailed evidence suggesting Cursor was intentionally throttling requests [1], including reverse engineering and reproducible behaviors. The team initially responded with a "happy to follow up", but later removed their replies that got downvoted, and banned the OP from posting further updates.

Their response sounded AI-generated too, which wasn't very surprising based on the way they handle customer support [2]. I wish they were more open to criticism instead of only claiming to be transparent.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/cursor/comments/1kqj7n3/cursor_inte...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43700931

Re: Cursor 1.0

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Post by pembrook »

tuesdaynight wrote: post #334

I trust that Claude Code is good, and I believe that most people commenting here are truthful to their experiences. However, I have a strange feeling that companies are using bots on these announcements comments. Maybe I'm being overcautious, but one of the worst things (for me) that came from the AI rush of these past years is this feeling that everything is full of bots. I know that people have preferences, but I f…

Totally agree, but that said, I just fired up Cursor on a paid account and after a few chats immediately hit the same issue I've been facing for weeks:

'Connection failed. If the problem persists, please check your internet connection or VPN'

I've contacted support and they have been no help. You can see tons of people having this issue in user forums. Meanwhile, bypassing the giant monstrosity that is VScode (and then a Cursor as a fork on top of it) gives me no such issues.

So I wouldn't be so dismissive that anyone frustrated with Cursor is a bot.

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Post by zarzavat »

sixhobbits wrote: post #326
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is a paid comment, in the sense that it's probably a bot. 22 day old account, with 1 post, praising Claude. For more than a year, Anthropic has engaged in an extensive guerrilla marketing effort on Reddit and similar developer-oriented platforms, aiming to persuade users that Claude significantly outperforms competitors in programming tasks, even though nearly all benchmarks indicate otherwise.

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I believe that's talking about general insinuations, e.g. "you're just a russiabot" and the like.

The GP account above with only one comment that is singing the praises of a particular product is obviously fake. They even let the account age a bit so that wouldn't show up as a green account.

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