Feel free to test imagen 4 on this benchmark: https://github.com/tianshuo/Impossible-AIGC-Benchmark
Ideogram and gpt4o passes only a few, but not all of them.
Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#332This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.
Robotics will come in the next few years. If you believe the AI2027 guys, though, the majority of work will be automated in the next 10 years, which seems more and more plausible to me every day.
Are you independently wealthy enough to benefit from that or someone who should invest in suicide pills for themselves and their family if that day comes?
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? The gates are wide open for those that want to put in effort to learn. What AI is doing to creative professionals is putting them out of a job by people who are cheap and lazy. Art is not inaccessible. It's never been cheaper and easier to make art than today even without AI. > Personally I can't wait to se…
> The gates are wide open for those that want to put in effort to learn. Why is effort a requirement? Why should being an artist be a viable job? Would you be against technology that makes medical doctors obsolete?
I think effort is a signal that whatever the thing is, the artist/team -really- wanted to put it out there and have people view it. They had -something- that drove them to take the time and effort to make the thing.
Zero-effort output generators like prompting means people are just generating trash that they themselves don't even care about. So why should I take my time to watch/experience that?
The whole "GenAI is accessible" sentiment is ridiculous in my opinion. Absolutely nothing is stopping people from learning various art mediums, and those are skills they'll always have unlike image generators which can change subscription plans or outright the underlying model.
Absolutely no one should be lauding being chained to a big corp's tool/model to produce output.
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Why should being an artist be a viable job? Well, people should get paid for their work. That applies to all domains except technical people love to look down on art while still wanting to watch movies, well produced youtube videos, etc. You can see it in action here on HN frequently: someone will link a blog post they took time to write and edit... and then generate an image instead of paying an artist. They want whatever effect a big header image provides, but are not willing to pay a human to do it or do it themselves. Somehow because it's "just art" it's okay to steal.
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If tech has progressed to the point of true "general artificial intelligence", then likely all jobs will be obsolete and we're going to have to rethink this whole capitalism thing.
I think all industries should be utilizing tech to augment their capabilities, but I don't think actual people should be replaced with our current guesstimator/bullshitter "AI". Especially not critical roles like doctors and nurses.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Growing fast" is questionable these days. There is an ever growing percentage of new AI-generated videos among every set of daily uploads. How long until more than half of uploads in a day are AI-generated?
In the future, a new intelligent species will roam the earth, they will ask, "why did their civilization fall?" The answer? These homo-sapiens strip mined the Earth and exacerbated climate change to generate enough power to make amusing cat videos...
And those videos were either not watched by anyone human or not truly watched by being part of an endless feed of similar slop.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious why you decide to declare victory after one successful attempt, but try many times for unsuccessful models. Are you trying to measure whether a model _can_ get it right, or whether it frequently _does_ get it right? I feel like success rate is a better metric here, or at least a fixed number of trials with some success rate threshold to determine model success.
It is indicative of marginal improvements instead of new breakthroughs. iPhone 1 was a paradigm shift. iPhone 10 was essentially iPhone 9 with tweaks. As an AI optimist I would be disappointed to find we are already seeing diminishing returns on R&D.
Not only did the iPhone 9 never exist, the iPhone X was a huge paradigm shift in design and capabilities. That was the phone that introduced edge-to-edge OLED screens to the iPhone line, as well as the IR camera that enabled FaceID and the first generation of Portrait mode. I know it well since it also introduced the ability for developers to build facial motion capture apps that would’ve previously required expensive pro hardware and allowed people like me to build live facial motion capture effects for theatre.
Sorry to dunk so hard, but your example of technology stagnating is actually an example of breakthrough technological innovation deep into a product’s lifecycle: the very thing you were trying to say doesn’t happen.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#336First test is... very confusing - https://x.com/Seancheno/status/1925049073230372980
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
> when pooled at scale between all users allows people to make their own song generators with GPUs. I can assure you, local generation is to become a fringe activity, same as self-hosting web services, only worse, because the quality gap (which in case of software is often negligible) will be insurmountable. > I’d love to hear how you think the big 3 corps (Universal, Sony, etc) who own all the music almost globally…
> but the consequences are the opposite of supporting the diversity and abundance in arts. I made 5 songs about 5 different people in a week, with carefully crafted lyrics and tones described by me in the custom prompt, that led to 10 mp3 files of songs (suno generates 2 songs per prompt) Those songs are out there, it’s different, it’s not sloppy it’s actually quite enjoyable. Now there is more diversity and abundanc…
You didn't make anything, aside from whatever lyrics, if any, you wrote yourself.
The song is adequate. The beat, drop, and chords are not that complicated, you could've learned how to do that yourself and not be chained to suno or whatever.
I would be delighted if a friend took the time to personally write and produce a song about me. I would not care at all if I realized it was just auto-generated stuff being pumped out "5x per week". The former I would cherish, the latter would be disposable junk to be listened to once and then forgotten about.
It's slop because it doesn't mean anything or has any value, not because it's literally sloppy.
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"listening to their same 20-40 artists who would be in billboards list each month"
That's a you problem, quite literally a skill issue. There are so many indie artists making wonderful music that's leagues better than whatever hyper-distilled swill is on the radio at the moment.
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"tell me it has hurt the abundance and diversity of songs out there"
Actual artists who make music composition and production their career ARE hurt when they can't find jobs/gigs/commissions because of things like suno. These tools are predicated on wholesale theft of music produced by humans.
But you can generate disposable songs at breakneck pace that don't mean anything, so it doesn't matter.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#338Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.
"Growing fast" is questionable these days. There is an ever growing percentage of new AI-generated videos among every set of daily uploads. How long until more than half of uploads in a day are AI-generated?
Even if the content was 100% AI generated (which is the furthest thing from reality today) human engagement with the content is a powerful signal that can be used by AI to learn. It would be like RLHF with free human annotation at scale.
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#339I'm sure by this point, and if not, pretty soon, everyone will have seen a clip of AI generated video and not thought twice about it. Its something that is only obvious when it is obvious. And the more obvious examples you see, the more non-obvious examples slip by.
I saw a video today [1]. Millions of views, ten thousand comments, not a single commenter mentioned that it's AI generated. If you look at the shadows in the background, you can see how they appear and disappear, how things float in the air, and have all the AI artifacts. The video is also slowed down (lower FPS) to overcome the length limit of AI video generator. But the point is not how we can spot these, because i…
Interesting. Here's the original channel - their videos all have a Picsart watermark in the bottom right.
I don't believe it's entirely fake, just enhanced.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think open source still has an important advantage in the pro environment despite being less convenient, and it's the possibility of adding things in between the generation process like control net, and custom loras with new concepts or characters. Plus in local generation you're not limited by the platform moderation that can be too strict and arbitrary and fail with the false positives. Yes comfy UI can be intimi…
Control net etc can be served via API; the intrinsic advantage of open-source is the ability to train and run inference privately.
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