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Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by ncr100 »

yubblegum wrote: post #147
bhouston wrote: post #3

The US is so weird right now. You have a President who is ordering the defunding of tons of groups (universities, media, aid, institutes) while not clearly having that authority and often doing so for what he views as ideological crimes. Also arresting and trying to deport people for things that are not clearly crimes (newspaper op-eds, etc) and without due process. Very strange times. Right now I have some faith the…

> The US is so weird right now. The weirdness started in 90s. First it was cultural (TV in 90s, Jerry Springer et al). Then it was electoral (hanging Chads anyone?). Then it was constitutional (Patriot Act). Then it was psychological (all those spooks running various "alt" Q etc.). And now it is lobotomy time. Took almost 3 decades but here we are.

I speculate it started in the 1950s.

There was a move to make Business about numbers over People, per my Grandpa's "Back In My Day" speeches he used to give me. He blamed the MBA (no offense to MBAs) for encouraging money-over-people thinking.

This then leads to GOP appearing to value winning political power for itself over building a healthy society, in my view.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by ziddoap »

laborcontract wrote: post #320
ziddoap wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obama dropped a bomb on a us citizen without giving him due process > american presidents causing untold misery on some people is a tale as old as time This is continued whataboutism, which I'm simply not interested in participating in a conversation with. > The point is to create a system that is, on balance, just. Sure! Why not start now. I'll be eagerly watching, and hoping, that you guys figure it out.

> This is continued whataboutism i think i’ve written enough to show that’s that last thing im trying to do.

>i think i’ve written enough to show that’s that last thing im trying to do.

I mean, that may be your intent, but so far you've brought up Brazil and Obama in a conversation about Trump ignoring the courts orders and said nothing about Trump ignoring the orders.

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Post by thisisit »

GiorgioG wrote: post #178
great_wubwub wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Do you really believe that there were no enablers and puppet masters before this administration? Serious question, and this has nothing to do with claims that Biden was mentally unfit for the office.

Even if there were, what is your point? It seems to me that lot of people have never heard of “two wrongs don’t make one right” and resort to whataboutism as if they are making some thoughtful comment. And no, “just asking questions” isn’t a great point either.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by void-star »

cyberlurker wrote: post #69
beardedwizard wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a big supporter of NPR but you don't need to look hard to see their progressive bias.

I listen to planet money and a few other podcasts. They seem pretty fair to me. The only way I could maybe see a progressive bias is that they have representation in their staff of racial and sexual minorities. I see no issue with that. Honest question, does NPR have any token conservative pundits or voices on their broadcasts or shows? I know they have a lot of minority representation. As usual, Trumps proposed solu…

There have been loads of others but here is a prominent and slightly ironic example of what you are asking about: Tucker Carlson built his early TV career in large part as a conservative pundit on PBS.

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Post by greenie_beans »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #135
cyberlurker wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If true, that is insane and if presented as factual those involved should be fired. But throwing the baby out with the bath water is not sensible. Oh and to my original point, why is this not cited or linked to in the executive order? I think it would strengthen it if anything.

I can’t be sure but I assume they’re talking about this: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178... This is an interview with an author that NPR acknowledges as controversial, not NPR presenting the author’s opinions as fact. But I doubt the distinction matters in the current rhetorical environment.

peoples' media literacy is so bad

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by mmastrac »

transcriptase wrote: post #120
mmastrac wrote: post #4

This is quite sad. PBS and NPR were jewels of the American system. The right-wing has latched on to the message that all public-funded media that isn't right-wing-biased is _bad_ and are trying to kill it everywhere. We are constantly fighting the same battle in Canada where the right-wing accuses media of being left-leaning, while most major news outlets are actually American-owned and slant right a lot of the time.…

The issue in Canada is that the CBC, despite having excellent journalists, investigative, local, and otherwise, and being an invaluable resource to many small communities, is overwhelmingly (but not entirely) biased in favour of one political party and whatever identity politics are currently the mainstay of their image. And it’s the party that nearly always campaigns on increasing their funding. I love(d) the CBC. I…

Some of this stuff bugs me as well, but there's no good reason to defund an organization with some problems when you can fix it instead.

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Post by snozolli »

xienze wrote: post #156
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #118

15% from federal funding? Doesn’t sound too bad? I thought it was more like 95%. They will survive.

They’re like any public institution when funding is cut. Before cuts: “really folks, the public funding we receive is barely anything at all, why even bother, it’s a rounding error in the big scheme of things.” During cuts: “WHAT ARE YOU DOING THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY US AND DOOM THE COUNTRY!”

As the other commenter explained, CPB will survive, but the shave will kill some local stations that receive their funding. That's a severe impact for some areas, and something they obviously want to avoid.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

boroboro4 wrote: post #186
flkiwi wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Attorney General went out of her way to assure Cabinet members that the US Marshals would not be arresting them. So, well, that's great. Congress needs to transition the US Marshals to the judiciary or expressly codify that the AG has no authority to direct their actions. Won't happen, but it's what Congress needs to do.

The people in executive pushing unitary executive power theory. And there is a chance Supreme Court will support them at that. With such theory your AG proposal not having authority doesn’t stand (in worst case it would be presidents authority).

A chance, but I suspect not much of one.

If we have a unitary executive, then the president is over the Supreme Court. I suspect that at least Justices Kavanough, Barrett, and Roberts (along with the liberals) would have a problem with that.

(Some of the liberals might be on board if the president was Harris rather than Trump, but no way are they going to agree with it while Trump is president.)

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Post by LPisGood »

next_xibalba wrote: post #67
cyberlurker wrote: post #14

Is it unusual for an executive order to claim something like this without any citation or reference? > The CPB fails to abide by these principles to the extent it subsidizes NPR and PBS. > Which viewpoints NPR and PBS promote does not matter. > What does matter is that neither entity presents a fair, accurate, or unbiased portrayal of current events to taxpaying citizens.

To wit, during the BLM riots of 2020, NPR published a piece on how looting was a legitimate form of protest. I mark that as the moment they lost both my trust and my attention. A very sad, eye opening moment for me.

That was not the official position of NPR the organization or even an opinion piece by an NPR employee, it was an interview with an author.

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Post by greenie_beans »

next_xibalba wrote: post #251
AssertErNullNPE wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure that article wasn't an interview with an author who wrote a book that took that stance? Having a conversation with someone who has arguably extremist views is very different from holding that extremist view.

Is it? Show me a similarly soft pedaled, deferential NPR interview of a right wing extremist. Someone else in this thread posted a diffed view of the interview demonstrating how NPR reshaped the article a week after publication. Very, very instructive.

> Show me a similarly soft pedaled, deferential NPR interview of a right wing extremist.

not making a very good argument with this

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