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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by another-dave »

haswell wrote: post #306
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

> The second year was more complicated. I could feel myself drifting away from myself. The structure of work and the rewards of working on big projects were now fully missing, and I could feel this growing emptiness that needed to be filled.

If you don't mind sharing — why did you not choose to do a big project? I've always imagined that if I were lucky enough to have a sabbatical/retire early, it's not that I wouldn't work, it's that I'd choose to work on stuff that is really important, but undervalued by society (which is the reason I can't do it as a living right now): e.g. activism & lobbying or volunteer work in the community.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by throwup238 »

haswell wrote: post #306
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

As Carl Sagan said, we’re a species that needs a frontier. We need to explore. That’s how hunter-gatherers actually survived, by following the animal migration and pushing outwards when population pressure or ecological change demanded it.

I don’t see how our modern incarnation of plantation jobs is in anyway equivalent to that natural instinct. I don’t think that the vast majority of people would have as much trouble as you finding meaning in their lives without work - especially since 99% of them don’t even have a sliver of a chance at “fuck you money” like you did.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by fullshark »

skybrian wrote: post #321
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

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The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

The idea that we no longer need labor is preposterous. Where are the machines to take care of children or the sick, or to build and maintain housing? What kind of science fiction world do you think you live in?

The idea that those jobs can only be done by desperate individuals so society needs desperate individuals is your logic here. I am not sure I can even counter it, I lack the imagination to see an alternative.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Workaccount2 »

ipaddr wrote: post #21

The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

I think that the tech exists for more interactive AI generation, it's just gonna take time to implement.

I foresee something like your standard production software with heavy AI integration, where you prompt it to make the song you want, but it is made fully step by step in the production environment. You can then manually tweak it or ask the AI to fine tune whatever parameter or slice you want.

Kinda like sitting over the shoulder of someone who knows what they are doing, and working collaboratively with them to accomplish the idea you have in your head. Meanwhile you have practically no idea what all those buttons/lines/glowly bits/sliders do.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by fullshark »

bicepjai wrote: post #12
senko wrote: post #9

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We already have machines that do laundry and dishes.

Who ever says this have not done laundry :)

I recall they asked some elderly women what the greatest invention they saw in their lifetime was a few years back and they said the laundry machine. Before the laundry machine, it was an all day, physical chore with a washboard. Hours of your life devoted to just doing laundry versus putting it in a machine and coming back in an hour

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by haswell »

another-dave wrote: post #331
haswell wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

> The second year was more complicated. I could feel myself drifting away from myself. The structure of work and the rewards of working on big projects were now fully missing, and I could feel this growing emptiness that needed to be filled. If you don't mind sharing — why did you not choose to do a big project? I've always imagined that if I were lucky enough to have a sabbatical/retire early, it's not that I wouldn…

I’ve asked myself the same question, because before taking the break I also had visions of working on important/meaningful/undervalued things on my own terms.

I think there were multiple factors. I hadn’t accounted for how much I relied on the work environment for social contact, and I didn’t have the social habits in place to maintain a healthy social life. This felt fine at first because I was also recovering from burnout, and solo road trips and adventures in the mountains felt great.

But every time I’d think about working on something, it felt insurmountable to my brain, and I just got stuck. I’d led huge projects in enterprise environments, but felt incapable of getting something going without some of the structure surrounding that.

I suppose it boils down to a skills issue. Had I realized I’d get so stuck, I may have prioritized a different set of activities. But one thing led to another and I was sliding down the depression slope at which point everything got exponentially more complicated.

I have to conclude that I could have done things differently and that could have led to a better outcome. But all of my professional success hadn’t prepared me for the personal habit changes I needed to implement to have a better outcome.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by waltercool »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by williamcotton »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

I like to practice my improv solos to backing tracks. Having an AI band that is listening and reacting to my playing, much like a good band would, would make it a lot easier than trying to get jam sessions going. Good drummers with availability are somewhat hard to find!

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by snarf21 »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

We need to recognize the reason. It is about scale and cost. Pseudo-art and pseudo-writing can be done completely in the cloud and scale easily. Having a robot to fold even a single towel requires millions of physical robots instead of dozens of servers. Physical products are hard to scale and they break more easily plus they have to live in an uncontrolled invironment.
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