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Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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I never understand these kind of short sighted decisions. It takes a long time to build a brand, this could potentially hurt their customer willingness to recommend and even buy their brand. People aren't stupid, they know that yet they do it. I believe Amazon became so popular because it treated its customer fairly well until recently, now that they are in extremely dominant position. But Synology is far from it.

> I never understand these kind of short sighted decisions.

Thats probably because you are not a CEO or a member of a board of directors.

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That's a great argument for selling drives, not for locking your devices down to practically require them

> That's a great argument for selling drives, not for locking your devices down to practically require them The counterargument is, people won’t listen and then blame Synology when their data is affected. At which point it may be too late for anything but attempting data recovery. Sufficiently nontechnical users may blame the visible product (the NAS) even if the issue is some nuance to the parts choice made by a tec…

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Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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They should've designed a model with open source firmware, written useful technical articles about storage, done PR campaigns, and sold premium versions of said hardware. I imagine that it would create more good will and be a better business move.

They could've even sold their own branded drives on the side and explained why they are objectively better, but still let customers choose.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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I'm confused. It sounds like only certain features will be unavailable for non-Synology drives: > Additionally, certain features such as volume-wide deduplication, lifespan analysis, and automatic firmware updates for third-party devices will be disabled. It sounds like you can still use non-Synology drives just fine, but not do certain advanced things with them? So why is this being called "locking"? I use Synology…

Not automatically applying firmware updates to 3rd-party drives is reasonable. Disabling filesystem features when using them is insane. Whats next — no encryption if you're using a Seagate?

It sounds like deduplication is already a pretty advanced feature requiring Synology SSD's:

https://kb.synology.com/en-me/DSM/help/DSM/StorageManager/vo...

It might be more about performance, that they'll require their own drives with custom firmware that works better?

That's what I'm trying to understand here. Is Synology really removing important basic necessary features, or is this more about high-end consistency and performance?

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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I don’t think anyone would care if Synology gave priority to their own drives. A checkbox during setup that says “Yes, I know I’m using these drives that have not been validated blah blah blah” would be plenty. That’s not what Synology did however and that’s the main reason everyone is pissed.

But those people would call support when the array couldn’t rebuild. And many of them would blame Synology, and demand warranty replacement of the “defective” device, and generally cost money and stress. As long as Synology is up front in the requirement and has a return policy for users who buy one and are surprised, I think they’re well within their rights to decide they’re tired of dealing with support costs from…

It’s not that I don't understand. It’s that as an end user I don't give a shit.

Toyota might have great reasons for opening a chain of premium quality gas stations, but the second they required me to use them, I'd never buy another Toyota for as long as I lived.

I want to bring my own drives, just as I have since I bought my first DS-412+ 13 years ago.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Slapping Synology stickers on Seagate drives doesn't make them magically immune from being mislabeled out of refurbishment. This is the same old tired argument Apple made about iPhone screens - complain about inferior aftermarket parts while doing everything in their power to not make the original parts available anywhere but AASPs. Except here we have the literal same parts with only a difference in the firmware ven…

Of course. But my hope is Synology does a little bit of QA before slapping that sticker on.

Honestly, you should just buy used enterprise drives. That they have hours on them is actually an upside, since most drives die either very early or very late into their expected lifespan. Our NAS is all Exos drives, no problems.

On the other hand, an NVMe drive from Crucial that lied about syncing data caused a write hole in ZFS and the associated pool broke to the point where we could only mount it with lots of flags in read only mode.

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WD Red drives. They released a new version of their WD Red drive, and the only difference they stated in the specs was that it had more cache. So I thought, great, this is their updated model with more cache, it's going to be faster. After some time, people started to post about problems with the new WD Red drives. People had troubles restoring failed drives, I had a problem where I think the drives never stopped rew…

For future reference which WD drives are actually suitable for NAS? I remember someone saying you need to look for a specific more expensive type.

Frankly, I haven’t bought a single WD since. I no longer trust them as a brand, and trust is critical for this class of things.

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There is one argument for Synology doing this: There have been cases where hard drive companies mislead their customers. I personally fell victim to this when Western Digital started selling SMR drives as WD Red, without labelling them as SMR drives. So lots of customers thought they were buying a drive that's perfect for NAS, only to discover that the drives were completely unsuitable and took days to restore, or fa…

I heard its about EU CYA directive, which requires IoT companies to deploy security patches in firmware within X months of those patches being released. This would explain why they'd only want to support HDD models the Synology OS can flash firmware updates to. (It's also convenient to get more margins.)

Nah. That wouldn’t require them to apply patches to someone else’s hardware than an end user installed after the fact. By analogy, Samsung isn't obligated to patch the firmware of an AirPods connected to it.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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I used to be a Synology fan with owning many of their devices for work and office. But I've moved on to TrueNAS now and haven't looked back. TrueNAS with ZFS is just amazing.

It would be interesting to know the negatives of Synology, and why did you move from them. Gaining nothing from your comment, it could be that your boss was pissed his ex- got a job as security there.

My biggest reason is flexibility in machine configuration. I found a lot of flexibility in bringing my own machine to the table. I can set any mix of HDD or SSD or Nvme or ram in my machines. With synology or any other premade box I am stuck in a specific config.

For example my current TrueNAS at home has 128GB of Ram, 32TB of NVMe (live data) and 72TB of HDD (archive data) with significant cpu and gpu (well compared to synology box, I am running a Ryzen 5700G) and 10G networking.

It didn’t start out here but because TrueNAS works with your own hardware I can evolve myself incrementally as hardware costs and needs change.

It is a beast of a machine and it is no work to maintain - TrueNAS makes it an appliance.

I’ve written up previously on my home setup here: https://benhouston3d.com/blog/home-network-lessons

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