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Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by thaumasiotes »

godelski wrote: post #254
Root_Denied wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The hardest to kick for me now is YouTube Premium.. And in AU it's like $33/month AUD, but I just can't stand ads. Any reason you're not just running network level AdGuard and Firefox with Ublock Origin to block all ads on your home network? Even just FF+UBO would block YouTube ads. The selfhosted subreddit is also a really good resource to use for interesting things to run.

DNS blockers aren't good enough to block all ads. Especially YouTube. Plus, many browsers will ignore DNS without configuration and same for phone apps. While this can be fine for me it's not for everyone else in my family nor guests. And that's before we talk about Apple... If anyone has a solution I'd love to learn.

Ublock Origin is sufficient to block all ads on youtube.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by thaumasiotes »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #46

My problem stays the same — finding all my music that is on Spotify from elsewhere. It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case) and even after I buy I am not sure what were the T&C from that particular place I bought - whether I really own it, I don’t, a bit but not fully - etc. Finding from Linux ISO sites is a nightmare and an extra bad nightmare if we ar…

> It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case)

Virtually all music, particularly modern music, is made available for free on YouTube. You can download it and it's yours.

For example, here's the official release of Taylor Swift's album "Evermore" for YouTube ("Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrMpCMdYwk&list=OLAK5uy_m-v... . You should be able to pass the playlist to yt-dlp and automatically extract all the audio tracks.

I don't really want wholesale quantities of music, so I do this manually, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's tooling around for it.

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Post by lawgimenez »

grepexdev wrote: post #188
lolive wrote: post #178

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Spotify « radio » is the best reason to listen to real radios ! [honestly the DJs on most of the radios I listen to are insanely skilled !] Btw, is there somewhere a search engine to know when a given [set of] track was played where, in the internet radio world?

This! I recently ditched Spotify and rediscovered radio in the past few weeks. There are so many great songs I've come across from bands I enjoy that I had never heard of because, as someone else said, Spotify's algorithm is way overfit.

Have you tried searching other user’s playlists instead? At least for me, that’s how I have been using Spotify’s to discover new music.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by lawgimenez »

amelius wrote: post #325
benfortuna wrote: post #219

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Does noone use the Spotify "daylist" playlist, that cycles between genres you have listened to previously? This regular plays music I have never heard (both old and new).

Not available for everybody. > As of today, daylist is available to both Free and Premium users across the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland at spotify.com/daylist. https://newsroom.spotify.com/2023-09-12/ever-changing-playli... (note: old post, but still accurate?)

I’m in Southeast Asia, daylist has been around for years in my side of the world.

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Post by mfld »

tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

Can Navidrome/Jellyfish integrate with Sonos? For me, the Sonos app still is not able to reliably index/play music from a network share.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by magicalhippo »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #299
wiether wrote: post #249

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> IMO using a streaming service’s recommendations is a way to filter out bands that labels aren’t promoting. The services have to be getting paid for pushing - right? I keep hearing this, I also read Mood Machine that says the same thing over and over again. Yet, every week for years, thanks to Spotify I'm discovering artists that don't have the means to pay to be promoted in any way. I'm not saying that I'm special…

Seriously. I've discovered artists with less than 1000 monthly listens thanks to the algo.

Same, a few just a few hundred monthly as well. And they were good hits, ended up going to several concerts based on Spotify's random playlist.

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Post by djfergus »

armSixtyFour wrote: post #149
dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

This.

My guess/conspiracy theory is that Spotify has cut deals with record companies that pay less on subsequent listens to a track so the repetitive radio algorithms are more profitable.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by hypercube33 »

sandreas wrote: post #225

I personally use Jellyfin ONLY for Video stuff. AudioBookShelf[1] is for audiobooks and podcasts. For music I use navidrome [2] The smart playlist feature[5] is awesome. Having 3 services instead of one seems overkill, but specialized apps instead of one generic one feels different. One interesting aspect of navidrome is, that it has implemented the Subsonic API, which MANY Apps make use of. My personal favorite is S…

The thing I miss and can't find a replacement for is lastfm inside of Spotify. It gave two things and did it exceptionally well:

1. Helped me take something I like or am super into at the time (band or song) and give me a playlist

2. actually suggested with a high hit rate something I didn't know about and it was available to play right now.

other streaming or stations just loop into what I already have which sucks. Side note that I'm into pretty niche non mainstream music such as Melodic Death Metal and Industrial so self hosting seems interesting but I also spend a good chunk of my time looking for more music. (Most of the bands I am really into only have sub-20k plays a month on Spotify).

I really miss Napster letting you browse people's music when you found someone who was also into things you liked - pure gold mine only second to a LAN party where you could dig through the file server.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by dash2 »

tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

> It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers….

Wow, I’ll get grandma to do it! Ha ha, just kidding, but I’ll try it myself. Ha ha, just kidding.

Honestly, I just want to scream “self-hosting isn’t going to happen, stop trying to make it happen.” I absolutely welcome the hobbyists doing this fun stuff in their free time, but the idea that they will ever win over ordinary users is total fantasy. And it’s accompanied by reality-denying stuff like how “you don’t need” feature X or Y. Sure, I long to go back to organising my own mp3 files like it’s 2002. And because you’re angry about corporate power, Spotify or whoever definitely provide no features of value to anyone! This is all pure mood affiliation.

Sorry. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad your setup works for you. But I think you are not using the word “easy” in the same way as most people.

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