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Post by HelloMcFly »

ThalesX wrote: post #325
HelloMcFly wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't. I want to be able to draw my own conclusion as to the effect of what happened might be. That's fair BUT do you see how this is a decision that a) won't always have a clear line of demarcation and b) reflects an internal mental model of news that likely isn't universal? For example: let's say someone reads a news article that titled "Trump Won't Rule out Military Intervention in Greenland" (god help us, a r…

> That's fair BUT do you see how this is a decision that a) won't always have a clear line of demarcation and b) reflects an internal mental model of news that likely isn't universal? a) I think there's a clear line of demarcation to the "what". b) I can see how this isn't a universal mental model, I just fail to see why the "why" makes for a better one. > irresponsible and bad journalism I honestly don't see how lef…

Fair reply, and reasonable people can disagree. But there is just one thing I wanted to reply to:

>> irresponsible and bad journalism > I honestly don't see how left / center / right fixes this.

Well, it doesn't. Those are labels we have affixed to things, because those are the lenses through which society sees "debated topics." But those lenses are applied to real things, that are really happening.

That you discount climate change because right-wing publications don't engage with it - despite the overwhelming preponderance of evidence - then you've just made yourself more susceptible to propaganda, not less. The omission of information is just as political as the inclusion of it.

Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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Post by mbs159 »

willy_k wrote: post #45
magicalhippo wrote: post #14

A couple of YouTubers I watch promoted this and given what I assumed it did, I'm surprised that's all it does. If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Something that has been making the sponsorship rounds now is Ground News[0] which I have found very useful with just the free tier. But given how many people I have seen sponsored by them, I wonder if there is some catch, especially because I can’t imagine that many people sign up for the paid service. I can’t think of what that catch would be though, they do not have unique access to personal data, and I haven’t see…

Friendlyjordies on YouTube made a great video [1] about ground.news about a month ago, worth a watch. I share the view that the left / right classification for news is useless. There always was some kind of bias / agenda to news, even before the days of the internet and social media. Also, the Democrat party in the US is for the most part, a center or center right party, so the classification of left / right for US news is kind of pointless.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfHx4CfKFqQ&t=914s

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Post by cbozeman »

chrisdsaldivar wrote: post #305
cbozeman wrote: post #241

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And he's not actually that great at that, if his storage server videos are any indication.

I haven’t seen the videos and don’t know much about the space. Could your provide any insight into what’s wrong?

Well he brought down his entire storage system. Twice.

I believe one time he had to bring in Wendell Wilson from Wendell Wilson Consulting, but more likely know to the Internet-at-large as the primary figure on Level1Techs YouTube channel.

I have no desire, nor inclination to dig through the thousands of videos LMG has produced on YouTube, but it's still up to my knowledge, and watching him fumble about with absolutely no clue is not only painful, but pathetic. Linus suffers from the same affliction many of my Ph.D.-holding friends have, which is that he believes because he knows a lot about putting together computers and electronics that he could handle building a large-scale data storage system.

These systems are complex, and to be well-built and maintained, they require domain-specific knowledge - no different than an OS programmer needs deep knowledge of C and C++, and increasing now, Rust.

It's a series of videos of someone way in over his head who should have brought in an actual expert - like Wendell from Level1Techs, or Patrick from ServeTheHome, from the get-go, instead of trying to do it himself.

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Post by immibis »

willy_k wrote: post #45
magicalhippo wrote: post #14

A couple of YouTubers I watch promoted this and given what I assumed it did, I'm surprised that's all it does. If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Something that has been making the sponsorship rounds now is Ground News[0] which I have found very useful with just the free tier. But given how many people I have seen sponsored by them, I wonder if there is some catch, especially because I can’t imagine that many people sign up for the paid service. I can’t think of what that catch would be though, they do not have unique access to personal data, and I haven’t see…

Ground News doesn't sound too good to be true.

How they're affording all these ads, though - if it's not a legit business through and through, then maybe the next possibility is that they want to be paid to hide or promote certain stories once everyone trusts them.

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Post by Asraelite »

overfeed wrote: post #76
willy_k wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something that has been making the sponsorship rounds now is Ground News[0] which I have found very useful with just the free tier. But given how many people I have seen sponsored by them, I wonder if there is some catch, especially because I can’t imagine that many people sign up for the paid service. I can’t think of what that catch would be though, they do not have unique access to personal data, and I haven’t see…

> I wonder if there is some catch Ground News is a startup that had 3 rounds of funding it total. If it sees significant uptake, it will become a juicy acquisition target for any influence-peddlers you can imagine, in addition to the usual data collection and ad-monetization risks.

Just came across your comment when googling this and was wondering if you had any thoughts. My understanding is that when startups have the insane levels of advertising on Youtube that Ground News does, it's because they're expected to eventually monopolize the market and generate huge revenue in the long run.

How would that work for Ground News? $2.50/month subscriptions for news aggregation seems a bit un-unicorny, even with data collection and other forms of soft monetization. Do you think it's actually that viable, or are they going to massively pivot?

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