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Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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And then will leverage against that valuation for loans, acquisitions, etc. Self dealing. Nobody cares anymore.

Trump pardoned Trevor Milton today, who scammed investors out of millions doing things like his now infamous "rolling a truck down a hill to make it looks functional" demo. Milton donated $1.8M to Trump, and Miltons lawyer's sister is Pam Bondi, the Attorney General. This is nakedly corrupt and a strong signal that you can get away with all manner of financial fuckery if you are on Trumps "good list".

And now there's this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43509169

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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In similar news: my left hand acquired my right hand today in an all stock deal valuing the combined hands at $1T. Praising the announcement my arms noted on the deal: “With these two hands now together, there’s nothing our combined fist of might can’t do.” Competitors, my left and right feet, declined to comment on the merger but are said to be in their own separate talks about a deal.

right but you don't have $1T to do that, whereas clearly he has however much money he's paid for it. it's a weird thing to do, but if he has the money to do it then meh?

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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Yeah these fantasies where musk would somehow go bankrupt by tanking Tesla and overpaying for Twitter were also wild He’s literally the richest person the earth has ever known. He’s never going to suffer financially. He has countless levers of power he can pull. The same fantasy applies to any past or current president ever spending a day in jail. He literally commands the most powerful military apparatus the world h…

> Even a sliver of that capability and influence ensures nobody will ever dare to try and slap some cuffs on him After 2028 elections, all of that umbrella cover will go away. Optimistically speaking it could happen as soon as after Nov of 2026 (midterms).

The elections are already being taken over .. in newspeak of course.

PRESERVING AND PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF AMERICAN ELECTIONS

~ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/pres...

  The sweeping 12-page order contains a number of provisions, including a documentary proof of citizenship requirement to vote in federal elections as well as a requirement that all ballots be received by Election Day – both of which fall outside of the executive branch’s authority to mandate. 

  But, there’s also a section, buried deeper in the order, that, if implemented, would give Trump’s Justice Department the authority to pick and choose what states get federal funding for election administration. It would require states to loop the DOJ in on supposed violations of election law that it encounters. But it also mandates that basic information about voter roll maintenance be shared with the DOJ as well.   

  If states are unwilling to enter into what is referred to as an “information-sharing agreement” with the Attorney General regarding “suspected violations of state and federal elections laws,” the Attorney General is allowed to withhold grants and other funds from those states, the executive order says.
source~ https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-order-includes-prov...

There are several commentaries at length going into the hidden traps and pitfalls of this latest executive order kicking about, so far it looks loaded.

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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So he can use the funds he raised for xAI to pay out the lenders for the initial Twitter purchase? Otherwise the lenders are just getting xAI stock (all stock deal) which I assume is illiquid?

A stock ponzi scheme to keep him afloat? Soon he will start a new venture and use that venture to save the previous venture and so on. Maybe a robot clothing company because robots shouldn't be naked.

Next step is have SpaceX buy xai

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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I’m guessing Tesla is paying xAI to train their FSD model?

That would be a shocking conflict of interest - a public company paying a private company, which is owned by the CEO of the public one ? All while the same CEO claims that the public company is the leader in the field ? Even by Tesla & Musk lawlessness standard that would be too wild.

Don't worry, the Tesla board is totally on top of things.

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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With that logic Github, StackOverflow, rest of internet is also "only" training data. X just produces extra valuable training data as a byproduct. Like power plants create certain byproducts that can be sold etc. Good to see it going to Grok primarily, as other LLM's are far from being truth seeking with their built-in, documented, extreme bias.

None of the companies you mentioned are owned by a private AI company, except X. I can't think of any other example of an AI company owning it's own social network, it's a fresh precedent.

That is irrelevant to the invalidity of your original statement. LLM's clearly don't have problems having their training data scraped from all those mentioned irregardless of their ownership.

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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There's a lot of negativity here, but tbh, it makes complete sense. Grok and X are really tightly integrated already, and it was strange that they were separate enterprises to begin with. That part was odd. Fixing it isn't odd.

The negativity is because he's using investor money in xAI in a related party transaction. He's negotiating both sides of the sale and it's not at all obvious the transaction price is a good or real price for Twitter. It may make sense to merge the two, but this is an unethical way to make a deal and I think it is likely the xAI investors are getting screwed.

I can understand that angle, but TBH, I have a hard time caring. They aren't a public company, and their private shareholders aren't lacking for resources to fight if they disagreed with this choice.

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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The SEC would likely have a field day with this, if there was still a functional SEC.

Interestingly enough, I see a headline, pretty much in the same minute Musk tweeted about the deal: U.S. JUDGE REJECTS ELON MUSK'S BID TO DISMISS LAWSUIT ALLEGING HE DEFRAUDED TWITTER SHAREHOLDERS BY WAITING TOO LONG TO REVEAL STAKE What's going on ?? Because he very obviously is guilty of this. Here is the article - I get a feeling that this is very much related: https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musk-must-face-fra…

What do you mean, what's going on? The judge rejected Musk's motion to dismiss the lawsuit. Meaning that the suit against him is going forward. Which is the correct outcome, because yeah he's obviously guilty.

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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So he just sold himself a company he already owns for a valuation that he himself assigned to that company but that was less than what he paid for it, and he paid entirely using “money” that has a made up value and which he issues himself? Wild.

But all the armchair business experts assured me that the value of Twitter had completely tanked since Elon bought it because he’s such a stupid fool who ruins everything, so shouldn’t it be worth less? Just a few months ago everyone was confident it was only worth $8 billion. He valued it at the same price minus debt.

He bought it with stock from another company that has no clear value and is a meaningless hype monster. What is xai going to do that 10 other AI companies aren't going to build, anthropic, openai, etc.

Re: xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B

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Sam owns Reddit and OpenAI.. how is that new? Google also owns Gmail and all Google Services , as well as its AI.

OpenAI does not own a social network. Google doesn't even own a social network anymore. Neither are valid comparisons to xAI owning X.

And also Sam Altman doesn't own either OpenAI or Reddit, lol.
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