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In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Defendants

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Let's just Europe does not send its best to represent itself on social media (a curse we all share, frankly). You talk to enough confidently-ignorant assholes and any desire to be polite vanishes. The number of europeans who think preservatives are illegal in the EU is pretty befuddling.

When I spent a year in Germany circa 1999 I thought the food labels sucked compared to food labels in the US. There were cigarette vending machines on the streets all over Dresden and they even had little candy vending machines below them. When it comes to occupational health and safety you can't say European standards are better. The established process for making plutonium fuel is to grind uranium oxide together wi…

> I thought the food labels sucked compared to food labels in the US.

> When it comes to occupational health and safety you can't say European standards are better.

First off, US food labels aren't nearly as strict as most people think. There are a number of exceptions and cases where things simply don't have to be listed, and in others the label can outright lie. Tic tacs somewhat famously are listed as having "zero calories." They do not. But because tictac says the serving size is one and it has below a certain number of calories, they're allowed to round down to zero. But there are also allowances for simply not listing ingredients.

Another example is that US food manufacturers were required to label if a product contained allergens, but the whole thing has been watered down because they lobbied for an additional rule, which was that they could just slap a warning that a product might contain allergens and not have to test for allergens at all. Similar to CA' widely mocked Prop 65 labels. The reason those labels are worthless is because the industry lobbied to be allowed to just slap the label on everything and not have to test their products for toxic materials.

Speaking as someone who lives in the US: US food labels contain more because there's far more allowed to go into the product, because corps have said "let the market decide, if they don't want RED40 in their food they won't buy it." The industry also incessantly fights the FDA on what's considered toxic, and even if it is, trolls over "well there's only a very tiny bit of it, so you have to prove it'll ACTUALLY have an effect on people" which of course is very difficult if the risk is statistically small and there's a million other things that can be the same or greater risk.

In the EU, toxic crap for the most part isn't allowed in the food period, so there's less need to be so strict about what does or doesn't go into a food label, because EU consumers don't have to both educate themselves in what's toxic and check a label to see if it's got something that is toxic in it.

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When I spent a year in Germany circa 1999 I thought the food labels sucked compared to food labels in the US. There were cigarette vending machines on the streets all over Dresden and they even had little candy vending machines below them. When it comes to occupational health and safety you can't say European standards are better. The established process for making plutonium fuel is to grind uranium oxide together wi…

> I thought the food labels sucked compared to food labels in the US. > When it comes to occupational health and safety you can't say European standards are better. First off, US food labels aren't nearly as strict as most people think. There are a number of exceptions and cases where things simply don't have to be listed, and in others the label can outright lie. Tic tacs somewhat famously are listed as having "zero…

I think regulators just have different attitudes, often about arbitrary points. For a while the EU had many artificial sweeteners that weren't allowed in the US.

EU regulators seem less bothered by psychiatric medicines that have serious side effects (agranulocytosis) or might make you have your liver enzymes checked periodically. What you find is that EU regulators permit things that US regulators won't accept and vice versa.

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I have a bigger conceptual problem with the workflow of: 1. The police are looking for someone. They arrest you, a second, different person. 2. They determine you are not the person they were looking for. 3. They bill you for their time.

We once had a purse stolen out of a car (our bad, shouldn't have been left out there, and we left the car unlocked, total fuckup on our part). A credit card from it was used twice at a gas station (cameras galore) that is not near anything—except it's the last gas station on the route to the local, rural-located (little other reason to be out there) Amazon distribution center. We lived in a typical dead-end shitty su…

Reform is necessary. In a literal and figurative sense both. Reform the Police should be the message. Make the Police force live up to that old line "to serve and protect", to provide justice.

Yeah, to get proper value out of a service it usually needs a little more funding, not less.

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I live next to the us-mexico border, in a place with basically no police services. There are (true) signs everywhere warning of cartels roaming, often with automatic weapons diverted from the Mexican military. Maybe they won't ever bother me, but better to have and not need, than the other way around.

I mean, if the cartel with their automatic weapons come at you, do you really think your stash is going to protect you? Also, lack of police services is probably commensurate with the low levels of taxation that so many Americans desperately want and vote for.

I'll be super real. The numbers from 2021 say the average American household owns 5 guns. This isn't because the average American really has a gun, but because of the people with 100 guns skewing the numbers. Those people are real, exist, and will give the cartel, and the local police, and a swat team a run for their money, if invaded. The real average American doesn't have an armory that can protect them from the cartel, but if you're the cartel, you now have to spend additional time and money doing research on if hitting some random house in San Antonio, Tx is going to result in a shootout that's going to get a bunch of your cartel members killed.

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I mean, if the cartel with their automatic weapons come at you, do you really think your stash is going to protect you? Also, lack of police services is probably commensurate with the low levels of taxation that so many Americans desperately want and vote for.

I'll be super real. The numbers from 2021 say the average American household owns 5 guns. This isn't because the average American really has a gun, but because of the people with 100 guns skewing the numbers. Those people are real, exist, and will give the cartel, and the local police, and a swat team a run for their money, if invaded. The real average American doesn't have an armory that can protect them from the ca…

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Tarrant County. Mentally ill but competent to stand trial. I’m sure there’s more than one. Source: 1 year in lockup (solitary) with them, often criminal trespass or public urination charges.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to a specific case?

This person's source is someone they spent a year in jail with.

Cases this small probably don't get articles written about them often. That's why we have the phrase "falling through the cracks"

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Fun fact: In Texas, ALL traffic offenses (except for speeding and open container) are considered arrestable offenses. It's up to the discretion of the officer whether he writes you a ticket or hauls you off to jail.

Any statistics on this, say by race? That would be illuminating, I’m sure.

Cops do an intentionally-terrible job of collecting statistics, and their unions vigorously resist attempts to make them do a better job.

There's a Some More News episode about police car chases (TL;DW they're definitely net-harmful and should be avoided in all but the most extreme circumstances, but the public likes watching them and doesn't realize how bad they are, and police fucking love anything that gives them an excuse to Go Nuts and act like they're in an action movie, so they remain distressingly common in most states) that, as a necessary aside, also discusses how intentionally awful police stats collection is—and you'd think maybe it was just for that one issue, or SMN's researchers suck at their jobs, except you run into the exact same problem any time you look into deep reporting or research on basically any issue connected to US policing. What we have looks really bad, but also we're constantly working from (probably less-bad-looking than the median...) datasets from a few places that manage to actually collect meaningfully-complete statistics.

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The thing about being “poor” in Europe is, you can be “poor” your entire life by American standards of income/assets, but still never take on medical debt, travel more than a month out of the year, have a couple kids and educate them in good schools, and retire. Most Americans cannot.

> Most Americans cannot. You have no idea what you’re talking about and there is no statistical basis to the claims you are making. The only two metrics Europeans win out on is life expectancy (by around 4 years) and (narrowly) on home ownership rate (around 5 percentage points higher in Europe). Americans are overwhelmingly wealthier than Europeans by every other metric.

> Americans are overwhelmingly wealthier than Europeans by every other metric.

$1.21 trillion in credit card debt, $1.66 trillion in car loans and $1.6 trillion in federal student loans - yes, Americans are overwhelmingly wealthier.

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They own European governments far more. They just have several hundred years of extra practice at being subtle.

Going by "The purpose of a system is what it does", I think European (specifically EU-member) states do a lot more for their citizens than the US does, in welfare, healthcare, environment, infrastructure and so on, so either the oligarchs are very subtle indeed (looking at our Slovakian oligarchs... I don't think so) or they just don't own the governments far more (yet). They are certainly trying though. I think this…

European governments do these extra things for their citizens because they have to. Or at least historically had to.

Because there was an active socialist & communist movement -- with massive trade union support -- on the continent forcing them to.

That is basically non-existent in the US, and very weak and closer to non-existent in Canada. (We only have universal healthcare here because of the actions of the social democratic CCF/NDP in the 60s in Saskatchewan, winning against a doctor's strike and showing the centre-left in the rest of the country that it was possible. At that moment in time. I don't think such a thing could ever be won now. Not against an established insurance industry.)

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