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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by tsimionescu »

defrost wrote: post #220
epolanski wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Farmers as a class are not stupid Yet in my lifetime I have seen them consistently go or vote against their own interests (see Brexit which absolutely gutted British farmers which overwhelmingly voted against "evil EU rules").

The difference between UK farmers voting numbers for Brexit and the general UK population voting numbers for Brexit was ~ 1% .. within the margin of error and shows that farmers overall voted much as the general UK population did. Given the smaller absolute number of farmers, their vote carried less significant weight than many other blocs. ~ https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fv... ~ https://w…

That only matters if Brexit was about as bad for the direct personal interests of farmers as it was for the average Brit. If farmers had it far worse after Brexit than the average Brit, then it means farmers were especially dumb for voting against their own interests.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by whiplash451 »

csomar wrote: post #185
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

> there isn't really much talk about tech

There's a significant amount of EU-based companies being created in the defence space. Helsing was visionary in that sense, but also paved the way for many startups to follow suite.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by 627467 »

OvbiousError wrote: post #269
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Signalling? Talks about investing 800 billion in the military industry across the EU would have been unthinkable 4 months ago. Now they're proceeding at a speed that is staggering when you see how long these talks/processes normally take. EU cloud is certainly much discussed, and more than that. Holland for instance voted and accepted a resolution last week for more digital sovereignty. This doesn't mean we'll have a…

The problem is precisely that most things have been (and continue to be) "unthinkable" "impossible" "unreal" in Europe for a long time. The unthinkable has the tendency to hit the many walls that exist in the corrupt and disfunctional European institutions. Lots of virtue signaling, lots of talk, lots of discussion, lots of failure, little action, little results. Put me in the skeptical bucket that European leader (and population) have the will power to sustain the unthinkable beyond an American election cycle.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

hyruo wrote: post #59

The United States promoted globalization, and the United States ended the process of globalization.

My understanding is that most of the government in the states has realized how they’ve lost the game they’ve created themselves. Unless some black swan event happens, I don’t think anything can stop the new juggernaut in the field (China). Surely they have a lot of problems, but with 1.4B population and proven track record, it’ll be hard to compete with them in scale.

This is basically an attempt to create a new game, with the hopes that they can govern the rules again. Nobody wants to give up the power, obviously. But yeah, good luck to all of my American friends, I really hope (genuinely!) it turns out well in the end for you all!

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by whiplash451 »

criley2 wrote: post #221
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

Both are a good thing? Even from folks in America who strongly dislike the fascist leadership, you'd be hard pressed to find folks who think "Europe should underfund their military and rely on the American tax payer for defense" or "Europe should be uncompetitive in technology and just buy American and Chinese solutions" I don't understand why Europeans have to blame Trump for "spending a fair minimum on their own de…

> rely on the American tax payer for defense

Not sure how much that's true. EU spends billions buying US military hardware such as the Reaper. It's unclear how the story will end up for US taxpayers here.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by mmarian »

olieidel wrote: post #327

Help me understand this: European companies have already been interested in choosing for European alternatives instead of AWS, Azure, etc. for years . Sure, this interest has recently gone up significantly, but it already was there, especially in the area I've been working in (hospitals / medical devices). But here's what I can't wrap my head around: Why do the European alternatives suck so much? - Pretty much all cl…

Because people don't care that much about where their software comes from. They just want the best product available, and more often than not it comes from the States.

This is a global phenomenon - Americans didn't care about TikTok being a Chinese company either.

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Post by _zamorano_ »

OvbiousError wrote: post #269
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Signalling? Talks about investing 800 billion in the military industry across the EU would have been unthinkable 4 months ago. Now they're proceeding at a speed that is staggering when you see how long these talks/processes normally take. EU cloud is certainly much discussed, and more than that. Holland for instance voted and accepted a resolution last week for more digital sovereignty. This doesn't mean we'll have a…

What do europeans have to show for the money spent in the "Next Generation" plans?

Allocating the money and printing feel good stories on regulations is the EASY part.

Now, delivering on the cut-throat tech competition on a reasonable time frame seems not part of the european ethos.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by flanked-evergl »

As a European, I would like nothing more than for our ruling elites to stop acting like petulant teenagers that are upset that their parents voted Republican and instead move out and start supporting themselves.

For decades here in Norway we have had talks about how we need to denuclearize, stop all industry, stop all energy production, stop all mining. This, if not directly a result of Russian interference, is at least something Russia and China are entirely behind. They would love nothing more than to see their rivals self-destruct.

European alternatives are not great. That is just a fact. I want them to be great. As Donald Tusk said, it's insane that Europe is expecting the much smaller US to defend it against the even smaller Russia. The time has come to stop acting like petulant teenagers rebelling and start acting like adults.

All of this also ignores the fact that Europe jails people for thought crime at a much higher rate than US or even Russia. And European countries are much more draconian with trying to restrict privacy and encryption. Right now, my data is more private in US than in most of Europe.

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Post by pjc50 »

_zamorano_ wrote: post #319
MrJohz wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give some examples of this attitude? I'm not sure I've seen that behaviour anywhere, and it's very difficult to look up examples when your description is so vague.

How about the consequences of US proxy wars? Not a word about the reasons mediterranean european countries keep getting floods of displaced refugees. Maybe if the US stopped bombing their countries, we'd stop getting so many.

The bombing of Libya was a full NATO operation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_i...

But yes, the War On Terror completely destabilized such a large area including Syria that it's been a disaster for Europe.

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