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Post by jeanlucas »

edwardjlsh wrote: post #102

> Some have been tortured. Any reputable news sources for this?

> Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-03-14/green-card-holder-fr...

Mind you this is an individual with a legal visa, German citizen, and in theory the type of immigrant "good" for the US.

This raised all red flags to anyone even with legal status to go to the US.

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Post by _2d30 »

vasco wrote: post #301
_2d30 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAICT, this wasn't actually how the Germans framed the concentration camps at all. The article you responded to is about how a woman described them in 2010. The closest thing I can find is here: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-... And this film was never even shown broadly as it was made near the end of the war. Also, it's technically for a ghetto and not a concentration camp. No AI I've…

What about this article from AP, Monday, April 24, 1933, doesn't say wellness farm, but it also isn't very accurate. Was a cursory search of contemporaneous articles and that popped up, probably not impossible to find more with similar descriptions. Enough to at least understand the message at the time was much softer than reality. > Some 18,000 Germans from all walks of life are being held in the political concentra…

LOL yeah this really paints them in a positive light. If this is the best resource you have for how the Nazis propagandized their concentration camps (this is literally right after the earliest ones opened so you would expect whatever propaganda to be as strong as possible then) as “luxurious” then I’m going to land on that not being the case.

> At most of the camps privileges are few. Major Kauffman, head of the big Heuberg camp in Wuerttemberg, said his prisoners were allowed to write one letter a month. There are no visiting days there.

It literally even calls them political concentration camps in the article.

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Post by pas »

oefrha wrote: post #298
leftcenterright wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The links you shared in your original comment all pointed to "rejections", not "legal people being detained". What has always been going on: people overstay their visa, depending on the scale and country, people get treated badly almost always in these cases. What is happening now: people being critical of Trump are being rejected, legal visa holders are being detained because of the scale of the abuse. These are cle…

> ... now: ... legal visa holders are being detained I disagree. These legal visa holders are caught for small (or slightly larger) infractions, like a previous visa revocation due to running a cannabis business, sort of working (helping?) on a non-work visa, obviously planning to work on a non-work visa, etc. These could always (at least after 911?) land you in big trouble in the U.S. if you have the wrong nationali…

Complete disregard for any kind of due process for a Canadian seems absolutely new. (Either she's a criminal and they charge her or she's not, and ... escort her to the airport as she said she is willing to go and pay for the flight. Suddenly treating people like enemy combatants, telling them absolutely nothing of importance, is ....)

I agree with your "this didn't start yesterday" view and with the "holding US conferences was always less than maximally inclusive" (for example because it was fucking expensive to go to Las Vegas, and because the phone searches, and ... in general the whole border patrol can do anything for miles around ports of entry)

But many things can be true at the same time. Trump found his paramilitary troops, the scale of the operation(s) and the source of the cruelty being the White House seems new. (At least since Nixon/Contra.)

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by _2d30 »

Timwi wrote: post #285
_2d30 wrote: post #91

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I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I a…

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. Correct me if I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you're saying that inefficiencies due to incompetence are exempt from criticism. It should go without saying that detaining innocent people is BAD, regardless…

I’m not saying it’s exempt from criticism and honestly I don’t know how that could possibly be an interpretation of that. I’m literally calling it incompetent which is clearly criticism. I’m saying that a 2wk detention due to glacial pace of our shitty bureaucracy isn’t really “fishy” about anything.

And to be clear, they aren’t innocent in the referenced example. They were breaking the terms of their visa.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by _2d30 »

q3k wrote: post #300
_2d30 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I a…

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. The purpose of a system is what it does.

This is one of the dumbest things people say constantly.

Remember this the next time you ship a bug! You built a system whose purpose was to have that bug in it.

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Post by pas »

Aeolun wrote: post #265
guesswho_ wrote: post #70

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[flagged]

Western people are more likely to make noise about it when it affects them. No surprises there.

I believe people make roughly similar amount of noise depending on the situation, but we are not there to hear it. (And in case of many people from eg. South American or African countries this is not a completely new situation so.)

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by pas »

raffraffraff wrote: post #277
jeltz wrote: post #237

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Maybe? But the US is a weird two-bubble system in which "you're either with us or against us" is held to be true by most people. Which is why a sane 3rd option isn't available on the voting card. And it's why "being pro-Trump" is not the only reason one might flag that post. Outside the US, where a completely polarisation hatred between just two parties is not the norm, there are people who can agree with their oppon…

Unfortunately it's becoming the norm. (Not to mention that in many places with de facto one-party this was also the norm since their first day on the internet.)

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Post by pas »

redbeanpandas wrote: post #252
HexDecOctBin wrote: post #235

@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

This is insane, everything that criticize US and current gov is flagged. Really disappointing and frightening. As a European citizen who reads European news, it was really strange not to see topics about the deterioration of US relations with its allies and its closer ties with Russia on this site. It was major news in the EU and completely silent here.

I can easily sympathize with those who want HN to be some kind of bubble to where they can escape from the/their troubles. (Using the flag feature for this is not what I would do, or ever did.)

I use https://hckrnews.com it shows flagged posts too.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by pas »

Raed667 wrote: post #325
HexDecOctBin wrote: post #235

@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

the fact that dang refuses to reinstate the thread even 6 hours later is worrying me, this is 100% a valid topic for HN

He's not some kind of 0-24 robot, come on. (Yes, I also think it's HN related.)

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by pas »

Aeolun wrote: post #250
mdhb wrote: post #242

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And dang refuses to recognise that there is any kind of problem with this. Just tells people with a straight face to assume everyone is acting in good faith and that you shouldn’t ever question that assumption for the sake of harmony.

That’d be fine if there was an equal number of people that could vouch for something, but that button doesn’t exist now?

Did it existed for submissions? I only saw it for comments.
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