Moving away from US cloud services

Post by JohnTHaller » Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 1:45 PM UTC

noirscape wrote: post #45

A shame that OP recommends Proton. The fact they don't support open email protocols like IMAP/SMTP without an extremely frustrating proxy setup is what ultimately turned me away from their service. Being able to "just" use a native mail client is pretty much a must. The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result. Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unne…

Post by SSLy » Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 1:53 PM UTC

mike_hearn wrote: post #293

benrutter wrote: post #254

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I'm not sure that's true - mainly because of some potentially big European customers in government or national infrastructure. They care enough about security and reliability, that they'd very likely choose a European provider over a US one, especially if the existing political climate continues. Companies don't need anywhere near the profits of Google to cover continuous development and maintenance, so while a Europ…

Bert Hubert has previously written about how the entire European telecoms industry with the exception of Britain has outsourced not only equipment but also network operations to Huawei: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/5g-elephant-in-the-room/ European national infrastructure providers don't care.

Post by bsafta » Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 2:30 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #309

bsafta wrote: post #200

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Can you please write more details about "I block many AI crawlers from accessing code and photos"? The bots are trying to access your nextcloud instance? I'm also self hosting a few services, including nextcloud.

No, not nextcloud, it's the photos on my website. They are CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0 licensed, which genAI doesn't respect in any form. I added these in nginx.conf: map $http_user_agent $blocked_user_agent { default 0; "~*AI2Bot" 1; "~*AI2Bot-Dolma" 1; "~*Amazonbot" 1; "~*anthropic-ai" 1; "~*anthropic.com" 1; "~*Applebot" 1; "~*Applebot-Extended" 1; "~*AwarioBot" 1; "~*AwarioRssBot" 1; "~*AwarioSmartBot" 1; "~*Bytespider" 1; "…

Post by benhurmarcel » Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 2:50 PM UTC

Skinney wrote: post #72

frereubu wrote: post #58

> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

> Git repos (it's too difficult) Sourcehut > Startpage uses Google's index. If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index. In any case, even if a european is a proxy for an american service, you need to prove that there is a market for an european equivalent for change to happen.

Post by leftcenterright » Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 3:01 PM UTC

systemf_omega wrote: post #115

leftcenterright wrote: post #65

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counterpoint: not everyone needs a hyperscaler. Especially with open source like Kubernetes out there. Of course the more experience companies have managing it, better the service becomes. But I don't see why it can't happen within EU.

K8s is an orchestration tool. You still need someone managing the physical hardware, and do it realiably at scale. That's what a hyperscaler does.