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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Anyone knows if there is something like that with heavy focus on privacy? basically decentralized offline first, end2end encrypted collaborative note taking/knowledgedb is something iam looking for.

A while back this was posted on HN - https://github.com/docmost/docmost/

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Hey. A few developers from the team are on HN and will be happy to answer any questions here! We also made a small scratchpad you can use to test collaboration features, if it doesn't get too flooded :) https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/docs/a3f0becc-f2b7-45be-a5e5-...

What led to the choice of using Blocknote over other editor packages? Would love to read about the decision making and comparisons between all the editors you considered. Also interested in any other write ups about choosing packages (ex: I see you using hocuspocus which I think is from another editor - TipTap) and why you landed on your particular tech stack.

Hey! Not a developer but here are a couple pointers. As Yousef says below, the text editing bit is hard. We wanted to be build fast and BlockNotejs makes it easy, you get the block stucture, the slash command, you can style your editor and extend with custom blocks. The BlockNotejs team researched the live editing space thoroughly so we could just follow the tracks: BlockNotejs, HocusPocus, Yjs. We "just" had to build the wrapper around with authentication, docs permissions and search and boom you have Docs!

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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What led to the choice of using Blocknote over other editor packages? Would love to read about the decision making and comparisons between all the editors you considered. Also interested in any other write ups about choosing packages (ex: I see you using hocuspocus which I think is from another editor - TipTap) and why you landed on your particular tech stack.

Maintainer of BlockNote here (and contributor to HocusPocus). I can't speak for Docs as to why they chose BlockNote, but can answer some of your questions. BlockNote is actually built on top of Tiptap - but designed to take away the heavy lifting. As powerful as they are, to build a Notion-like editor on top of Tiptap (or Prosemirror) still requires quite some engineering firepower. We've built BlockNote to come "bat…

That's very cool, as a happy user of TipTap this is the first I've heard of BlockNote - excited to check it out. I've also built a few modest things on top of TipTap and felt a slight "tower of babel" unease, would you mind saying a bit about what BlockNote takes from TipTap which couldn't be accomplished with Prosemirror alone?

This comes from a place of pure curiosity, I don't actually believe this strata of editor packages is in any way inherently bad!

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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it is very much one of the most reproducible apps ever Would love to move to an alternative that also works in the browser, got any suggestions? I haven't found one that does what Notion does. I genuinely want to get off their AI training grounds but cannot. Your comment reeks of condescension because you are not the target user.

AppFlowy is pretty notable. https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy

>Bring projects, wikis, and teams together with AI. The AI workspace where you achieve more without losing control of your data

This is always a major red flag for me.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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> Otherwise they could be Open Docs or Open Word (not sure if that exists, maybe Libre Word?). No, they couldn't. That's why there isn't any Open Docs or Libre Word word processor. That's very specifically why it's Libre Writer . Why it's FreeOffice TextMaker . Why it's FocusWriter and Writemonkey and whatever else. A major part of trademark law is likelihood of confusion. Both Docs and Word are associated so strongl…

KWord is a thing, and the only reason it's not still under active development is because enthusiasm for development dried up after the acrimonious KOffice/Calligra split. In fact, it was the only part of the KOffice suite that was allowed to keep its name after the split. And there's also AbiWord, which is still under active development. Or speaking of which, all the gazillion office suites with Office in the name.

KWord and AbiWord don't use "Word" as a standalone, well, word. They're clearly not Word. You're not going to confuse them, and that's the point.

And "office" became the term for an office suite, the way "calendar" and "contacts" and "word processor" are just descriptive terms too.

But "Docs" and "Word" have a clear, obvious distinctiveness that "office" and "calendar" don't. "Word" and "Docs" don't inherently mean "word processor". Heck, OpenDocs.com is for legal forms, not word processing.

I really don't know what you're arguing. Go ahead, start a word processor named just "[Company name] Word" with the space and get sued by Microsoft and lose. You don't really think you'll win, do you? This is not a controversial or blurry area of trademark law.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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They could try innovating and actually supporting an economy of entrepreneurship so individuals are incentivized to build better tools in their home country instead of coming here. Too bad VC _almost_ exclusively exists in the US. What Europe calls VC is a joke.

The world would be much better without much of what American venture capital has created over the past twenty years. Ad tech mass surveillance, Uber eating labour protections, "Unicorn" worshpping monopolization of basic utilities.

Would much rather have the hell world American VC has created than the alternative hell world of the euro uber-government.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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I’ve been looking for something like this that also has a Whiteboard feature (think Miro) to deploy self-hosted at a small business.

It has taken me these places:

Obsidian - has whiteboard, but not collaborative. Sync plugin cannot be self hosted. Open source sync doesn’t have user management.

Affine - ditto. Also not completely open source.

Logseq - ditto. Some text editing features require advanced knowledge of databases to use (ie writing query) making it difficult to deploy to non-technical staff.

Excalidraw - whiteboards only.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Notion is not an example of delightful software and it is very much one of the most reproducible apps ever. I don't know how they managed to make it fashionable amongst startups, but it's certainly not because it's an innovative product.

I also have to disagree here. What Notion has built is amazing. When leadership tells us our job is to replace Microsoft Office. I say it's not This is Libre Office's job. While I truly admire this community’s work. If I ever get anywhere close to their level I’ll consider myself lucky. They do important work and I hope they continue for may years . I’m not trying to replace Microsoft Office because work has changed.…

Notion is some kind of Kanban board, isn't it? I think the point of the parent is that such boards were not invented by Notion, and writing a webapp that essentially allows you to move post-its between columns is not exactly innovative. Which is fine, if it works. We don't always need innovation (actually most of the time we don't). Notion just seems to be super popular for just being a webapp of post-its.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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"Simple collaborative editing without the formatting complexity of markdown" It is incredible that nowadays Markdown is considered "complex".

What's complex for most users that do not spend their days into an IDE is not seing what's your prose is going to look like and they've been use to that for a couple decade. For us it kind of made sense to support markdown + giving giving a minimalistic toolbar for users who don't know how to md. Also, you can do a lot of things in BlockNotejs you can't unless you code html and css in md (colors, blocks etc.)

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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I also have to disagree here. What Notion has built is amazing. When leadership tells us our job is to replace Microsoft Office. I say it's not This is Libre Office's job. While I truly admire this community’s work. If I ever get anywhere close to their level I’ll consider myself lucky. They do important work and I hope they continue for may years . I’m not trying to replace Microsoft Office because work has changed.…

Notion is some kind of Kanban board, isn't it? I think the point of the parent is that such boards were not invented by Notion, and writing a webapp that essentially allows you to move post-its between columns is not exactly innovative. Which is fine, if it works. We don't always need innovation (actually most of the time we don't). Notion just seems to be super popular for just being a webapp of post-its.

Notion is a wiki. It’s like Confluence but good.

Maybe they have tickets and boards as well? Even better!

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