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Introducing Outlook.com - Modern Email for the Next Billion Mailboxes
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#332We haven't instantly forgotten how Microsoft handles Skydrive, have we?: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4265086 I think I'll pass on putting my email through their systems. Although I have to admit this looks way better than GMail. I hope this inspires Google to do something about their interface design.
As a big Android/Google fan, I can't say they are exactly innocent when it comes to the sort of thing Microsoft was called out for with Skydrive. When Google+ first came out quite a lot of people lost their "Google lives" (including their gmail accounts they had been using for years) when Google banned them for being under 13 or using a pseudonym.
nobody has ever lost their gmail account for using a pseudonym on G+.
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#333Google is asleep at the wheel. This makes them look bad. Gmail blew the doors off every other webmail client when it launched 5 years ago but it's time for a rewrite. The fact that they used Gmail mobile as their "Gmail Offline" product in Chrome tells me that the current client can't be modernized. I only hope that is what the Sparrow guys are going to be working on, because Microsoft isn't the company you would exp…
Gmail was only launched 5 years ago? I'm almost positive I had gmail at least in mid 2004.
Depends on how you define launch I guess. Gmail began as invite-only around 2004, I believe. Publicly available, but still in beta around 2007, and released from beta in 2009. If you use the publicly available date, then it's about 5 years.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm tired of people making insinuations about some sinister motive behind the WiFi logging without evidence. How did that debacle "align with Google's business interests"? What use is there for fragments of WiFi payload data logged from a moving vehicle that also happens to be hopping WiFi frequencies? If there was any intent to exploit it, wouldn't you try to log more comprehensively? That is, by grabbing full HTTP…
How did that debacle "align with Google's business interests"? Payload data can be used to inform their advertising efforts. Two other points: 1. After an engineer alerted his supervisor of the "accident" it continued anyway so even if it was a sincere accident, nobody gave a enough of shit to rectify it. 2. Google still has the data two years after they were supposed to have deleted it, which they blame on communica…
Payload data can be used to inform their advertising efforts.
The data collected while a streetview car drove by can inform their advertising efforts? You really have to bear a serious anti-Google grudge to entertain such a ridiculous, technologically laughable premise.
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#335I was happy to see the interface and tried to sign up. Outlook.com would not let me set my password bigger than 16 characters. wtf?
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did that debacle "align with Google's business interests"? Payload data can be used to inform their advertising efforts. Two other points: 1. After an engineer alerted his supervisor of the "accident" it continued anyway so even if it was a sincere accident, nobody gave a enough of shit to rectify it. 2. Google still has the data two years after they were supposed to have deleted it, which they blame on communica…
Payload data can be used to inform their advertising efforts. The data collected while a streetview car drove by can inform their advertising efforts? You really have to bear a serious anti-Google grudge to entertain such a ridiculous, technologically laughable premise.
You don't think the contents of email messages could be used to inform advertising data? Even in aggregate? Do ads in gmail show up at random?
I don't have a grudge against google, I like my android phone over an iPhone and use google Reader and Chrome because they are the best at what they do, and use google analytics because it's good enough for the price. I just don't have any illusions as to what they expect in return for their free products.
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#337The comments on that article looks bogus...
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Payload data can be used to inform their advertising efforts. The data collected while a streetview car drove by can inform their advertising efforts? You really have to bear a serious anti-Google grudge to entertain such a ridiculous, technologically laughable premise.
You don't think the contents of email messages could be used to inform advertising data? Even in aggregate? Do ads in gmail show up at random? I don't have a grudge against google, I like my android phone over an iPhone and use google Reader and Chrome because they are the best at what they do, and use google analytics because it's good enough for the price. I just don't have any illusions as to what they expect in r…
Email, of course, contains tons of personal information. If linked to a user's identity, it could clearly be used to inform advertising. However, emails in aggregate probably don't give you any more useful advertising insight than the Web corpus itself, which Google could obviously use if it wanted.
Further, why would Google need to log random bits of WiFi payload data to extract a relatively small amount of email when they operate Gmail?! If the decision to purposefully violate people's privacy had actually been made, wouldn't it be easier to look at Gmail than to use Street View?
There would be more data, better data, and you'd have it more quickly than if you sent a bunch of cars to drive all over the world, collect a bunch of extraneous crap, then wait for them to come back, and screen it for something useful.
Frankly, that's absurd.
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes it would. Neither I nor anyone I know use Google because we trust or respect it, we use it because it works well.
Trust is far and away my highest priority when deciding on online services, and if it isn't yours... well good luck friend, you're going to need it. Your email is likely to be an important part of your life's documentation, containing an awful lot of very personal information. An unscrupulous provider could use it in all sorts of horrible ways - off the top of my head, how about a lucrative employment screening servi…
You trust Google with your email more than Microsoft? Google is the one that scans your email for advertising keywords.
But no, I was talking about search. Google doesn't do email well in general. Their one significant advance was popularizing threaded display of conversations, and that hasn't been a gmail-exclusive feature for years.
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#340I find it baffling Microsoft doesn't support IMAP access to any of their e-mail properties. You're stuck with POP3 or else a webmail client when on the desktop. They do offer Exchange Activesync for mobiles, but without EWS or IMAP you can't really complete the circle and give customers a decent email experience.
Outlook 2013 supports EAS.
Interesting, thank you! Now to wait for it to come to the Mac. :)