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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by try_the_bass »

zwirbl wrote: post #121
sneak wrote: post #111

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I have no extremely strong pro- or anti- Musk feelings, but the ADL (who seem to me to be the experts on antisemitism) say that’s not what that was. https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403 There also doesn’t seem to be any corroborating data to suggest he’s a nazi. I’m all for calling a spade a spade if he is, but it seems that people are working backwards from the “I hate Musk” position rather than forwards fro…

The 'awkward gesture' take is a fun one. "Sorry officer, I did not flip you off twice, that were both just very awkward gestures" There is tons of data on how Musk became a far right supporter and sympathizer, like his support of UK racists and the German far right. You seem to still use X, you could just scroll through his posts there and try to not ignore the evidence you see with your own eyes

Have you considered that perhaps the increasing levels of vitriol and outright hatred directed at him by the left might have had something to do with his rightward trend? They seem pretty correlated.

I struggle to see how doubling down on the hatred is going to convince anyone other than _already hateful_ people of the righteousness of your cause?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by sdwr »

soVeryTired wrote: post #324
sdwr wrote: post #267

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I liked the line > My parents were machines. My parents were gods. It was nothing special. I hated them. and how the story mixes adolescence and feeling special with philosophical ramifications (hinting that focusing on the philosophical ramifications is just an adolescent attempt at feeling special?) The narrator falls into the same trap at the end, assuming that he is the 1-in-a-million exception. He doesn't realiz…

I really enjoyed that read. Is it hinted that everyone has the experience though? There's a week where the jewel and the brain are still paired, but the jewel is in control. The hospitals monitor that the two are similar to within tolerance, but somehow this jewel slips through the net. What makes you think there's more to it than the 'one in a million' explanation?

He sets up a conspiracy theory, where the system knows he's the only one out of sync and forces him through anyway.

If you are reasonable instead of rational, the slippage that occurs within that week is fine. It's expected, as he notes, because the jewel doesn't replicate neurons constantly dying, so it can't be a "perfect" copy.

Adolescence is typified by feeling like everything is happening to "me", for the first time ever. It fits the theme to have him solipsistically dramatize a normal experience. You can see this in the last line, where he wonders if the person him ever felt as "real" as he does.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by try_the_bass »

computerthings wrote: post #142
tmnvdb wrote: post #133

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It is very brave of you to make this totally hypothetical sacrifce for us - only in your mind of course.

> If it was that or be paralyzed for the rest of your life, would you at least consider it? It's all hypothetical anyway, what's your deal? Are you saying the totally hypothetical life changing cure is something to be impressed by so much, that the real suffering caused by those pursuing it is to be ignored? Ignoring the real suffering for some hypothetical deus ex machina is very cowardly, and if my hypothetical sac…

Yikes dude. Neither SpaceX nor Tesla would exist if he only cared about profit. Nor would Neuralink!

This is Reddit-level delusion right here. Please don't bring that here.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by andsoitis »

Terr_ wrote: post #301
computerthings wrote: post #78

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Someone who has genuine concern for helping people doesn't cut medical programs in fly-by-night operations to leave people with medical devices in their body and whatnot. Empathy and caring about suffering can be ruled out. Generally speaking, the demo is always about finding the green ball on top of a red cube, or the person who went missing in a land slide, but what sells it is detecting and aiming at the dissident…

> Vulnerable and sick people can only have things that would a.) help super rich people with the same conditions I have occasionally wondered if, in some kind of time-travel scenario, I could convince the local royalty that subsidizing healthcare for the masses would ultimately benefit them years down they line when they need an experienced doctor who knows how to do some kind of surgery. > Someone who has genuine co…

> I have occasionally wondered if, in some kind of time-travel scenario, I could convince the local royalty that subsidizing healthcare for the masses would ultimately benefit them years down they line when they need an experienced doctor who knows how to do some kind of surgery.

Your intuition that subsidies can increase outcomes for even the super wealthy is correct, but it should be noted that this already happens today.

Subsidies for healthcare, including for highly specialized and technical procedures that are expensive, yield:

- Increased Access to Cutting-Edge Treatments

- More Skilled & Experienced Surgeons

- Lower Costs Through Economies of Scale

- Encouragement of Medical Research & Innovation

For instance, for heart surgery in particular, in the US, there is Government Subsidies and Assistance (Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, VA, and ACA) as well as Private and Non-Profit Aid (HealthWell and PAN Foundation, American Heart Association & Mended Hearts, Hospital Financial Assistance).

Then there are major healthcare foundations funded by billionaires, focusing on medical research, global health, and disease prevention. Some of the more notable and impactful ones are:

- Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

- Chan Zuckerberg Initiative

- Howard Hughes Medical Institute

- Michael & Susan Dell Foundation

- Helmsley Charitable Trust

- Open Society Foundations

- Bloomberg Philanthropies

- The Wellcome Trust

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by synthetic-echo »

superflow wrote: post #232
simianparrot wrote: post #199

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It's really suspicious how much media attention there is on the _people_ rooting out wasteful and corrupt spending, and not on the _data_ that's been released by said people _revealing_ that spending. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but that sure seems like a conspiracy to bury the data with emotionally-laden garbage fear-mongering headlines. Also note how in any positive/neutral article that even tangentially involve…

indeed, exactly this. It's discouraging to see people that read hackernews, act in this way, and not look at the facts, and actual data, but rather use up all their energy on just reacting violently against Elon.

You mean the data that was already public and debunking half the shit he's said? You can't mean the data he refuses to actually release, do you?

So with that in mind, let me rephrase your comment.

> It's discouraging to see people that read hackernews, act in this way, and not look at the facts, and actual data, but rather use up all their energy on just blindly praising Elon.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by andsoitis »

Llamamoe wrote: post #85
andsoitis wrote: post #65

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> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach. That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

These tools need to be paid for. By people whose welfare is currently being taken away by the same man who owns NeuraLink.

> These tools need to be paid for. By people whose welfare is currently being taken away by the same man who owns NeuraLink.

I'm struggling to understand your point. You seem to be saying that Musk is trying sell a product to people but at the same time taking away their ability to pay for it. Logically, that means nobody would be buying the product, which leads me to conclude the thinking you express above is flawed.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by bufferoverflow »

croes wrote: post #253
bufferoverflow wrote: post #193

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DEI itself creates the situation where having the wrong gender or skin color was the reason to not get a job. You cannot fight racism/sexism with racism/sexism.

A loss of privilege isn’t racism/sexism. What would your solution be?

Getting hired based on your skills is not a privilege. It's equal treatment. And that's the solution.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by ben_w »

try_the_bass wrote: post #333
computerthings wrote: post #142

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> If it was that or be paralyzed for the rest of your life, would you at least consider it? It's all hypothetical anyway, what's your deal? Are you saying the totally hypothetical life changing cure is something to be impressed by so much, that the real suffering caused by those pursuing it is to be ignored? Ignoring the real suffering for some hypothetical deus ex machina is very cowardly, and if my hypothetical sac…

Yikes dude. Neither SpaceX nor Tesla would exist if he only cared about profit. Nor would Neuralink! This is Reddit-level delusion right here. Please don't bring that here.

While the discourse could be better, that counterargument doesn't work either: all of those companies still make sense even if they were purely driven by profit motives as they also represent gaps in the marketplace.

I think Musk is driven by both.

Even now, despite the flaws I see in him, I still assume Musk thinks he's improving humanity.

But he needs, and knows he needs, a lot of money for Mars. There's unambiguously a lot of profit motive.

Unlike @computerthings, my objection is on the tech, not the person. The person doesn't help, he also doesn't seem to get the mindset needed for quality software security, but also doesn't make it much worse given how bad this is everywhere.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by superflow »

synthetic-echo wrote: post #335
superflow wrote: post #232

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indeed, exactly this. It's discouraging to see people that read hackernews, act in this way, and not look at the facts, and actual data, but rather use up all their energy on just reacting violently against Elon.

You mean the data that was already public and debunking half the shit he's said? You can't mean the data he refuses to actually release, do you? So with that in mind, let me rephrase your comment. > It's discouraging to see people that read hackernews, act in this way, and not look at the facts, and actual data, but rather use up all their energy on just blindly praising Elon.

honest question, do you have a mental disorder?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by concordDance »

soVeryTired wrote: post #159
concordDance wrote: post #144

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> It's not something you can do by accident. There are countless memes online showing pictures of other famous people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortwz doing similar things. Anyway, even if it was a nazi salute, what would that even imply about him other than the childish edgelord aspect which is already well publicized? That he wants to gas the jews?

Still pictures though, right? Not actual videos of someone making the full gesture twice in a row. What would it imply about him? He’s now a quasi-governmental figure aligning himself to the far right. He’s messaging to others on the far right that the federal government will tolerate them. Doing so will embolden them to take action.

> He’s messaging to others on the far right that the federal government will tolerate them. Doing so will embolden them to take action.

Well that's definitely more plausible than the antisemitism...

That said? Musk is exceptionally bad at understanding how his words and actions will be perceived and seems to make no effort to send correct signals. While also being a frequent troll who likes raising his middle finger to the "woke".

It being a big "fuck you" seems far more in keeping with his character than it being a subtle Machiavellian communication.

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