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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by walkingthisquai »

Diti wrote: post #262
lostlogin wrote: post #206

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Weird take. He repeated his salute immediately. ‘I can’t be ist because I know an ’ is hardly a new position. Defend him all you want, he speaks for himself. We can see his actions and who he funds.

> We can see his actions and who he funds. I’m out of the loop here. Has Musk done anything related to nazi symbols (besides that weird gesture that some people say is a nazi salute), or funded Nazi organizations? EDIT: Why the downvotes?

He's supporting the AFD in Germany among others. For a 5 min overview see here: https://youtu.be/NjWl_RNDMSA

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by nedt »

All of that is happening in the EU. Don't you just have the warranty were they either fix it (which they don't) or exchange with a new car that doesn't have the issue or you return the car and get the money back. After all the defect was known an existed by the time you were buying it. Doesn't make sense to waste time.

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Post by michaelt »

yreg wrote: post #154
Zanfa wrote: post #60

Putting aside the ethics of buying a Tesla in 2024, who buys a car brand legendary for unreliability and ridiculously long service times in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? Some people like to live dangerously.

> who buys a car brand in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? I too have bought a TM3 in Slovakia. The closest Tesla service center to Bratislava is 50 kilometers away, in Vienna. What's the problem with not having a branch here as well?

If the purchase goes well, the vehicle is reliable, spare parts are easily available, and nobody has to resort to legal action? No problem.

On the other hand, if I buy a car in Holland, get it serviced in Austria, and register and drive it in Slovakia - which legal system governs the transaction? Which country's consumer rights protections do I get?

It would be jolly inconvenient if the manufacturer ripped me off, and my only option for redress was a court 1000km away, with the laws written and courts operated in a language I didn't speak.

Or does the EU have some mechanism that avoids this problem?

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Post by dan-robertson »

voidUpdate wrote: post #226
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

Just to note the trade-off here: modern cars are much safer in crashes than even cars from ~20 years ago, and the less computer you want, the further back in time you need to go to find suitable cars. There are nuances to the safety thing: some brands were/are safer, more popular car designs today tend to have some features that may worsen safety (taller cars are less stable, heavier cars handle worse, big heavy cars are worse for pedestrians).

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

viraptor wrote: post #252
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #234

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https://x.com/piloly/status/1884095767780155666/photo/1

What does "china insurance data" mean? What is specifically counted there?

"New registrations represent the number of vehicles that have been officially registered for the first time with the relevant government ministry or insurance agency, including domestically produced and imported vehicles"

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...

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Post by SebFender »

Older fox here - I've owned many cars and a similar situation happened to me with a Mazda 15 years ago - shit happens in life.

Save you sanity - call a lawyer and have them discuss the situation with Tesla.

That's what I did with Mazda and around a month later things were solved.

Stop sending emails and calling people at the company- they don't care - call a lawyer and save your sanity.

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Post by formerly_proven »

rightbyte wrote: post #266
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

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There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

Auto programming is the prime example of Conway's law. Like, you have 10s of critical applications that you want to keep simple and not crashing or bugging out. So, just give them each a computer. No way for the shitty wiper department's buggy ECU to ruin your day in the brake ECU by blocking all the hydraulic lines. You can even put them on different CAN buses!

Even an economy car from 15 years ago will have 2-4 CAN buses for this reason.

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Post by buzzardbait »

musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

I too have the opposite experience. I've had my late 2022 Tesla Model Y and I like it just as much as I did on day one. In fact I like it more now, since the car has received several new, big features after lots of software updates.

I live within 15 miles of two Tesla centres, and so far I've only had to use them once for a minor sensor issue, which was serviced at my property at no cost to me. If I didn't have any Tesla centres within a couple hours' drive I probably wouldn't have bought the car.

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Post by prmoustache »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #267
prmoustache wrote: post #197

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> Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. I have no idea how it drives, and I am pretty sure the answer is not "horrible", but the sale numbers of a car that is ordered mostly online without test drives doesn't mean anything.

Would you trust Consumer Reports? Tesla is the #3 after BMW and Rivian, among brands "ranked on the average percentage of owners who said in CR member surveys that they would buy the same vehicle again." https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s... And second most reliable https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

Reports can vary depending of the duration of the reliability period.

A while ago we saw here on HN a report from Danish mandatory technical inspection that showed that Model 3 were failing inspection much more than other EVs.

Reliability is a bit vague, it also depends on your mode of purchase (new, second hand) and how long you plan to keep your vehicle. People who only lease cars and swap them every 4 years need a reliable car out of the factory but don't care if everything start to fall appart after 5 to 6 years. People who keep cars for 10 to 20 years or who buy second hand have different requirements. The later will likely buy cars that would have already been fixed in a recall but need a car whose parts are cheap, easily serviceable by an independent mechanic and whose general reliability is good in the long term.

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Post by mschild »

wesselbindt wrote: post #272
musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

Agreed, the quality of the product should speak for itself. We've got people saying they're unreliable, and we've got people saying they're reliable, and that's true for literally every car manufacturer on the planet, so this doesn't tell us much. Anecdotal stuff aside, there's studies done on these things, thankfully, and Tesla consistently ranks poorly. See for example this one (this is just the first one that popp…

Adding another source: TÜV Report 2025 (in German) In Germany you have to get your car checked every 24 months for its road worthiness (think general doctor checkup but for your car). If it fails, you are not allowed to use it until it's fixed.

At the first general inspection after purchase 2-3 years out, 14.2% of all checked Tesla Model 3s had issues. Comparing that to other models that are on record in sufficient numbers, its a high rate of failure. VW ID.3, for example, had 5%.

https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/

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