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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by relistan »

catherd wrote: post #307
reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Only if "utterly fucked" somehow means you can still pay a bit more to DHL and get packages even faster than USPS. Your fast prototypes coming by air freight likely aren't routed through USPS at all unless it's the last leg of a consolidated shipment that's broken apart once it reaches the US. Those would be using some other carrier to get them from China to the US and then USPS only inside the US. USPS all the way f…

I’d deem it extremely unlikely that US customs processing or the express carriers will be able to handle that overflow in anything like a reasonable timeframe.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by oldpersonintx »

pembrook wrote: post #281
likeabatterycar wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember how Apple couldn't just pick up and move the production of iPhones to India or Vietnam? You left out the part about dormitories full of modern-day slaves, complete with nets so they don't leap to their deaths. Generally this is frowned upon in the West. India and Vietnam wouldn't tolerate it either, despite being developing countries. Wasn't there a riot at Apple's India factory over work conditions or am…

Sorry, but comparing the living/working standards of [developing country] to the wealthiest nation on earth is a silly 1990s emotional appeal ignoring the reality that, every society has to climb the ladder. And actively harms this process. You do realize the default state of humanity is living in the dirt and fighting off starvation daily right? It takes decades/hundreds of years to develop an advanced economy and f…

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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by ben_w »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #213
Veliladon wrote: post #149

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Because there's nowhere in the US like Shenzhen, Guangdong or Hong Kong. Remember how Apple couldn't just pick up and move the production of iPhones to India or Vietnam? You need all the ancillary industries around the production to be there, along with being competitive and commoditized as well. When a supplier has something go wrong a line of manufacturing doesn't go down. You go down the street to the same guy sel…

> Remember how Apple couldn't just pick up and move the production of iPhones to India or Vietnam? You left out the part about dormitories full of modern-day slaves, complete with nets so they don't leap to their deaths. Generally this is frowned upon in the West. India and Vietnam wouldn't tolerate it either, despite being developing countries. Wasn't there a riot at Apple's India factory over work conditions or am…

> You left out the part about dormitories full of modern-day slaves, complete with nets so they don't leap to their deaths. Generally this is frowned upon in the West.

Frowned upon, but you (the US) do have them: https://www.goldengate.org/district/district-projects/suicid...

Seen them here in Germany, too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vDSL4HeQrLLfYU2m7

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by kilroy123 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #242
vaccineai wrote: post #236

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China has a lot going for it. The right investments in green energy and EVs is maturing now, allowing them dominate basically 75% of the world market for energy production and vehicles (without local competitors). They are also making investments right now in AI and robotics that are already beginning to pay off. The US as a market doesn’t mean much to China anymore, and Trump’s aggressive treatment of enemies and al…

I don't buy this. They badly want into the US market for their EVs.

As well as their solar panels.

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Post by bboygravity »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Just get them through Europe? Outsource to European contractors?

You could literally just outsource your prototyping to me (I'm in Europe, EE with embedded programming skills and good connections to local 8--day turn-around PCBA production) and I'll ship them from Europe to US (using 1 day shipping if needed).

Ok, sorry for spamming, but my point is: there are ways?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

jaredklewis wrote: post #294
roamerz wrote: post #238

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>>The idea that China is a major security threat is basically brand new You're kidding right?

No. I guess it’s a matter of degree but my memory of the 90s, 00s and even early 2010s the middle east and North Korea both received far more attention from the press and politicians than China. China seemed to be on a trajectory towards a free market and less repressive government. I don’t feel like the current “cold war” esque situation set in until the late 2010s but maybe I’m wrong? What’s your take?

It's been a gradual shift with rising and falling tensions and various flare-ups, but if I had to pick a date I would pin it to around 2012, when Xi Jinping became the leader of China and began taking a more hardline stance.

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

consp wrote: post #314
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #304

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There are nets on bridges and other places in the US, too. Also I don't think the suicide rate of those workers you are referring to is higher than the general population. There are simply lots of workers. For example, Foxconn has more than 1 million employees so it is normal that there would be some level of suicide within such a large population.

We have millions of people here, suicide rates are not that high, and no nets. So what is your argument exactly?

Did you actually compare suicide rates to China in general? Something tells me you didn't.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by almaight »

jschveibinz wrote: post #184

Fentanyl is the likely reason behind this order: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO24/20230517/115956/HHRG... USPS is the preferred carrier for illicit drug distribution.

This is like when Mexico imports synthetic ammonia from China, but synthesizes TNT in Mexico and smuggles it to the United States, but American politicians say that China exports TNT. The funny thing is that TNT is a seriously illegal product in China.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by catherd »

relistan wrote: post #331
catherd wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if "utterly fucked" somehow means you can still pay a bit more to DHL and get packages even faster than USPS. Your fast prototypes coming by air freight likely aren't routed through USPS at all unless it's the last leg of a consolidated shipment that's broken apart once it reaches the US. Those would be using some other carrier to get them from China to the US and then USPS only inside the US. USPS all the way f…

I’d deem it extremely unlikely that US customs processing or the express carriers will be able to handle that overflow in anything like a reasonable timeframe.

Could be.

The carriers do already have practice ramping up and down for Christmas and Chinese New Year so it seems plausible they could absorb significant extra volume in whatever time it would take to negotiate the leases on the extra flights they use during those times.

For that matter customs processing also has experience managing the same surges.

I'd believe we might have some sort of own-goal planned for customs that could hang things up.

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