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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by unclebucknasty » Fri, Feb 07, 2025, 2:42 AM UTC

Defletter wrote: post #330

unclebucknasty wrote: post #329

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Feel free to re-read my comments and address my actual statement , pointing out that your initial assertion is wrong. That, versus changing the subject. > Enjoy your slippery slope There's certainly a slippery slope here—and a strawman, but they ain't mine.

You just refuse to accept that entities that you do not like also have Freedom of Speech rights. You continue to believe that Freedom of Speech is a positive right to people, rather than a negative right against the government. You are therefore perfectly fine with preemptively suppressing the speech (and commerce) for over a hundred million American citizens, because you perceive a threat from the FYP algorithm, bec…

No need to keep repeating yourself. SCOTUS has already ruled:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-tiktok-ban/

So, feel free to take it up with them.

This is my last reply. Thanks for the chat. Take care.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by groggo » Fri, Feb 07, 2025, 6:40 AM UTC

kelipso wrote: post #320

mattmaroon wrote: post #318

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I actually think this is the most likely culprit. I think Tiktok deliberately showed Americans all sorts of videos of the horrors going on in Gaza (which certainly there are) but none of the videos from 10/7. They show us people talking about how evil Israel and us are, nothing about Hamas's actions, motivations, etc. If they wanted to do the opposite, they could show us videos from 10/7 (there are a lot), talk to th…

The other big social media apps were banning or suppressing pro-Palestine content during that time, so tiktok was the only place you could post that stuff. Whether they were deliberately pushing it is debatable I suppose. I am fairly certain it was organic since it was the only big place you could post it.

Is there really evidence that pro palestine content was intentionally promoted or demoted any any social network? Obviously the possibility is there. But US social media can do it too, which kind of just proves that it's worth having a foreign controlled app. If everything is being manipulated to push different agendas, at least have the option to be exposed to one not controlled by the US gov

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by Defletter » Sat, Feb 08, 2025, 1:15 AM UTC

unclebucknasty wrote: post #331

Defletter wrote: post #330

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You just refuse to accept that entities that you do not like also have Freedom of Speech rights. You continue to believe that Freedom of Speech is a positive right to people, rather than a negative right against the government. You are therefore perfectly fine with preemptively suppressing the speech (and commerce) for over a hundred million American citizens, because you perceive a threat from the FYP algorithm, bec…

No need to keep repeating yourself. SCOTUS has already ruled: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-tiktok-ban/ So, feel free to take it up with them. This is my last reply. Thanks for the chat. Take care.

Yup, the composition of the Court has changed, thus its stance has changed. But if you choose to defer any and all thought to this Court, who consistently give the government wide latitude to do whatever it wants so long as it invokes the magic words "national security", that's your prerogative. It's a sad way to live though.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by unclebucknasty » Sat, Feb 08, 2025, 3:04 AM UTC

sethammons wrote: post #296

stouset wrote: post #173

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This has nothing to do with the speech. The speech is protected as always. You are free to say the same things on any platform you like: soapbox, print, a website, social media, anywhere. What is being prohibited is an adversarial government having complete control over an entity that can decide which speech is delivered to which specific audience.

How I read your stance: You are not allowed to hear what they have to say. They have poison thoughts that will infect you and others around you. We must protect our children from poison thoughts. We can either strive for an educated populace that can identify propaganda or we use propaganda ourselves on ourselves. Propaganda is winning.

Not sure what's hard to grasp about a country deciding it's a bad idea to allow adversarial nations to run psyops on its populace at-scale.

Your solution is to open the floodgates, allowing all manner of military/intel-grade psychological manipulation, bots, AI, etc. to be unleashed on our population, but try to educate the entire population to become professionals at identifying and resisting these tactics?

Seems absurd on its face. It's strange to see someone trying to make that sound like the reasonable option.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by NotYourLawyer » Sun, Feb 09, 2025, 7:16 PM UTC

Denkel wrote: post #323

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #220

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Disbarred for being realistic and honest about what a mistake that prosecution was? I voted for Harris BTW.

No, you did not.

I did though.

It’s possible to support Harris and still be reasonable about the utter failure that the lawfare campaign against Trump has been.