Live data from Hacker News

Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

reuters.com

331–340 of 1001 posts

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

That's not true at all. The current conflict isn't some thousand year old feud. It was very much caused by the deliberate provocation and importation of European settlers via Zionism. It's easy to wave our hands and say "it's so complicated!" or "they've been doing this for thousands of years!" but it's not complicated, much like apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were not complicated. Colonialis…

This is a lot of buzzwords but no content.

The background behind the current conflict goes something like this:

Muslims, Christians and Jews all lived in Palestine during the Ottoman era. Jews discovered Europe was pretty hostile, Zionism was born. Many move to Palestine, buy land and settle down. The Ottomans lose WWI, lose Palestine to the British. The British Empire started fracturing, they realised they couldn't hold it together, they decide they'll leave Palestine and create a plan to partition it. The Jews abide by the plan, declare Israel when the British mandate ends. The Arabs invite all the nations around them to attack the Jews with them. They lose. The Jews gain more territory. The Arab parts of Palestine get annexed into Jordan and Egypt.

Then, when all the Arab states fought Israel again, Jordan loses the west bank, Egypt loses Gaza and all of Sinai (!!). Israel gave Sinai back for peace, eventually both Egypt and Jordan renounced their claim on Gaza and the West Bank. And that's how we ended up here, more or less.

Now, as for the colonialism part, Jews have always lived in the area. Even during the Ottoman Era. In fact, Zionism started during the Ottoman Era. Also relatively few people lived in Palestine, less than a million total in 1922. And the Jews who did move to Israel after it's establishment, largely moved there as a result of persecution by Arabs (plenty of Jews lived all over the middle east).

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#332
post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

Actually it goes back a bit further, basically to the dawn of civilization. The first battle in recorded history was between Egypt and the Hittites, the Battle of Megiddo, in what is today the state of Israel [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_%2815th_cent...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to pretend that Jews haven’t lived there for thousands and thousands of years, before the Arabs arrived?

Zionism is a colonial ideology created by Europeans in the late 1800s.

[flagged]

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#334
post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IDF or Likud The IDF and Likud does not have a policy of attacking civilians to achieve political or war goals. They likely have some deranged and radicalized commanders who do this anyway, but it's not the organizational policy.

The IDF and Likud literally just killed orders of magnitude more civilians than Hamas in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen.

[flagged]

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Social media showing people how incredibly biased traditional media is towards Israel" I learned how incredibly biased social media is against Israel. "Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys" The same Hamas that murdered over 200 young people at a concert on Oct 7 2023? And paraded the dead body of a woman like a hunting trophy. The one thing that Hamas is NOT is "th…

[flagged]

[flagged]

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#336
post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Social media showing people how incredibly biased traditional media is towards Israel" I learned how incredibly biased social media is against Israel. "Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys" The same Hamas that murdered over 200 young people at a concert on Oct 7 2023? And paraded the dead body of a woman like a hunting trophy. The one thing that Hamas is NOT is "th…

[flagged]

I just have to shake my head and wonder how the heck people arrive at such completely insane worldviews. Justifying the coldblooded slaughter of civilians is pretty despicable. The young German woman Hamas paraded around like a hunting trophy was neither a militant or a reservist. The 6 year old child whose parents Hamas murdered and then was abducted was neither a militant or a reservist. Calling Gaza a concentration camp is so dishonest it would would make Goebbels proud. Israel left Gaza, Hamas took over and promptly started mass suicide bombings. Israel built a wall and this stopped most suicide bombings. Hamas doesn't seem to understand how cause and effect work.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

Israel has likely also created multiple generations of anger and hate against themselves. They may have reduced the likelihood of another Oct 7 in the near term, but 50 years is not something I would count on

In 50 years there will be no Palestine :c

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

[flagged]

So basically all Islamic states in the world as well?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#339
post #164
post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

They murdered 1,000 civilians in cold blood. They raped, kidnapped and sacked indiscriminately. Arab, Jew, Druze, Thai guest worker. Then they rained missiles indiscriminately on towns and had the gall to complain about getting bombed and besiged. Let's be clear here: The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband. Hamas deliberately targets civili…

The atrocity propaganda of "mass rape" has already been refuted and "1000" civilians is not true either: "A total of 630 hospitalized casualties (277 civilians and 353 soldiers) suffered from gunshot wounds (90%), explosion-related wounds (19%), and multiple injury mechanisms (16%)." [The Israel National Trauma Registry (INTR), which aggregates data from all 7 level-I trauma centers (TCs) and 16 level-II TCs in Israel, was the data source for this study]

You're even labelling IDF soldiers as "civilians" and including the IDF's kill count of its own people in there.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-ma...

>The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband

"May have" is the understatement of the century, the modus operandi of the IDF is based on warcrimes that amounted to Genocide[1]. And the notion that the IDF supposedly doesn't intentionally target civilians is pure denial: "The Biden administration has quietly continued to supply arms to Israel. Last week, however, President Joe Biden publicly acknowledged that Israel was losing international legitimacy for what he called its “indiscriminate bombing.”[2], "Israel/OPT: New evidence of unlawful Israeli attacks in Gaza causing mass civilian casualties amid real risk of genocide"[3] "Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza"[4]

This is only a fraction of the evidence proving that Israel targets civilians intentionally and most of these are from months ago. Israel's brazen murder of civilians became even more unhinged after that.

[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...

[2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-military-campaign...

[3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-ne...

[4] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evide...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#340
post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

[flagged]
Post reply on HN