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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by tombert »

technothrasher wrote: post #245
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

> people like me who are finally being honest with themselves and acknowledging that they don't actually enjoy the entire club scene. What was it that was keeping you from being honest with yourself about that? I figured out pretty quickly that the whole club/dance/nightlife scene was just not compatible with my particular personality and haven't had any trouble simply avoiding it.

In regards to clubs for me personally, nothing, I was honest with myself almost immediately after I went the first time and have only gone a few times since then, both times making it clear to my friends that I really didn't enjoy it at all.

I have some friends who have stopped going, and while they won't come out an admit it, I think they were lying to themselves about enjoying it. I kind of got the impression that nothing about them "changed" to where they don't enjoy it anymore, just that they finally realized that they're not "missing something", and that they simply don't enjoy it.

Closest personal analog I can think of: It took me about ten years to realize that I don't actually enjoy living in NYC, and that I never enjoyed it. I had been trying to convince myself that it was fun, and I don't think I ever actually liked living here.

ETA:

I forgot to actually state my main point.

I think a lot of people want to like going to clubs, because their friends say they like going. I have some friends that I think actually enjoy it (though they always took a drug before going), and the few times I've gone I've tried my best to keep an open mind.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by tombert »

grahamj wrote: post #298
tombert wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, let's suppose I had a guarantee that I have the purest coke to ever exist, with no adulterants added, straight from the factory...it's still bad for me. I probably shouldn't be ingesting it regardless. I've been reducing my caffeine intake, and I don't drink alcohol. I don't even eat sweets anymore. I'm basically a square now; too old to do this stuff.

Don’t do coke. E on the other hand… Never too late to find out what a flood of serotonin feels like.

It's probably still bad for me. Again, I'm a square. This isn't a judgment for people who enjoy it, but I'm too boring for that stuff.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by ozzzy1 »

mtalantikite wrote: post #176
berlinbrowndev wrote: post #94

I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc. One, I hated the term "raving". I was thought raves were finding an abandoned house, playing music and drugs. I just like the music and don't need the dance clubs or the drugs. But with the said, I think the "club" scene has dropped off. Expensive drinks. Expensi…

This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves". I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of dr…

This so much. As a gen z living in new york city, the first question people ask me when I pitch a night out is how much it'll cost.

With insane ticket, cover and drink costs. People would rather stay in and do something cheaper.

I will say the underground scene is thriving because of this though.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by Animats »

ghaff wrote: post #315
UncleOxidant wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we could say that covid killed a lot of these activities (some were already in decline, but covid delivered the final blow). GenZ just happened to be coming of age during the pandemic years and thus prefers to stay home as they see that as normative. Millennials are past the rave stage as they're getting into their 40s.

I hesitate to write a lot of things off to COVID because, if you look at some presentations/papers from early on in the pandemic, a lot of things probably changed less than the "experts" thought they would. That said, I also see various things that were on a downward trajectory or cruising on momentum being given a downward shove by COVID.

A friend who used to run big late-night parties in San Francisco said the big change started after the 2008 recession. Many of the twentysomethings who were laid off left town, and the ones who remained were working longer hours.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

giantg2 wrote: post #93
dagw wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe Where do you think the people going to those raves in the early 90s ended up? As old guys who now have well paid corporate jobs in the city and read FT. That guy could probably bore the crap out of today's youth with stories about how raves and music used to "authentic" and how everything today is crap.

I neither raved nor got a good job. Looks like I'm the schmuck in the middle that worked hard and then didn't get rewarded.

Same. Not rich enough to retire early, just rich enough that I can't afford to take any risks on anything.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by mikepurvis »

steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

I'm a millennial (38) who never participated in the "risky behaviour" that is raving, clubbing, hooking up, etc.

What I do do though is travel for swing dance events [1], which often involves live music, bluesy late night parties, etc. I also have friends who do similar for salsa dancing and board game / anime / nerd conventions. So I wonder if part of this is that "staying up late doing fun thing with semi-strangers" has expanded to more domains than freestyle dancing to electronic music?

[1]: eg https://dclx.org/ https://www.instagram.com/bal_moment/ https://www.balweek.com/about

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by jaco6 »

timbre1234 wrote: post #287

What's missing is GenZ isn't into it. The kids are the ones that go out all the time and they drive a lot of the revenue that big clubs need to stay alive. I'm not really sure what GenZ is into instead -- would've been cool if this article had tried asking them.

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by seydor »

diggan wrote: post #74
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #70

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor. Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

I would assume their current writers have been to raves

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by seydor »

saberience wrote: post #227

I find it really hard to believe this and am questioning the data. I raved back in the early 2000s and I still rave now and the popularity is absolutely booming in a way I've never seen before and in more parts of the world. 15 years ago there was zero electronic music events in Dubai, now there are huge electronic music festivals there and it's clear a ton of people at those events are taking "something" that isn't…

Dubai is a little behind
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