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Setting aside the general question of Perplexity being an ad-supported service, I don't like that it's unclear exactly what the advertiser is sponsoring. Are they just paying for the suggested query to appear? Or do they also get a say in which sources the model uses to craft it's answer? Or even get to preview and approve the model's response?
No surprise here, but what a bummer that this is "The Way™" Just let me pay you $3-5/ month to never see an ad again. It's worth it to me since the service is actually decent.
You mean Perplexity Pro? That thing they tried and found that no one was willing to pay for cuz users say they want paid options but then jump boat to the free things always? https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/faq/what-is-perplexity-pro
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And at some point someone will say “we can increase revenue 10% by putting ads in” and the goose will survive because most people dont care I cancelled prime and stopped sending amazon about £600 a year when they added adverts. They don’t care because 100 other people didn’t and they got an extra £10 a year from pushing them adverts. Companies can’t resist the double dip, and the majority don’t care.
I hate the double dip. Apple seem to have resisted it, to be fair.
Big surprise. It’s almost as if internet 1.0 shook out the way it did for a reason, and for all the complaining about ads, fast forward 25 years and consumers still fundamentally refuse to pay for search. It’s the same reason the phone book was also free and ad supported pre-internet. I don’t know why we can’t accept this reality and why we need to masochistically flog ourselves every time this is proven true over an…
Do consumers refuse to pay for search, or has nobody asked them if they'd want to? Kagi is well-known on HN, but I guarantee my parents have never heard of it. I told my wife about it the other day, and she had never heard of it either. She thought it was a cool idea. $10/month is just too much. Sure, YellowPages had lots of ads. Hell, PCMag was ~35% ads. The difference was that their ads were clearly labeled and phy…
And, since I started using Perplexity, I barely use even Kagi. Since the responses are based on search results, they are mostly void of hallucinations, and they save me time from reading unnecessary fluff on the web.
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Or you could buy a slightly less insanely expensive model, split the savings in two, and get many many years of credits on OpenAI.
The thread is about ads in language model results. Do you think OpenAI is going to resist putting ads into their results for the next few years? I hope they do, but I wouldn’t say it’s a given. You definitely won’t get (intentionally injected) ads on a model you run locally.
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I suppose my argument was essentially that $5/month felt on the high side, so I love that the answer is actually to pay $10/month. This is the way. In all seriousness, I am sure you are right and don’t deny the promise on offer. I’d also be willing to pay for search much more so than many other online services of more questionable value. But I just don’t think they’re going to get cut-through at $5, not least $10, in…
You've already spent more than $10 worth of your time arguing why you want a premium search engine for free. (Because let's face it, if it was $5 or $1, you'd still argue that it's too expensive). Things cost money. Some people can't afford a certain product. Some people don't want a certain product. But you don't see people in the grocery store arguing all day why they don't want to purchase a certain product on the…
And people spend a tremendous amount of time discussing the price of essential goods like groceries. Economists go bananas of it. Especially in some regions with a cost of living crisis. What a strange example to make.
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> $5 is practically nothing That’s quite a privileged thing to say. This forum is read by folk all across the world and I would say that it’s up to each individual to say how much $5 means to them.
Don’t get offended on behalf of other people
And yes, it definitely has a “let them eat cake” vibe which is absolutely worth a push back.
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Do consumers refuse to pay for search, or has nobody asked them if they'd want to? Kagi is well-known on HN, but I guarantee my parents have never heard of it. I told my wife about it the other day, and she had never heard of it either. She thought it was a cool idea. $10/month is just too much. Sure, YellowPages had lots of ads. Hell, PCMag was ~35% ads. The difference was that their ads were clearly labeled and phy…
No hate to Kagi, but my non-techie friends would laugh at my face if I suggested them to pay for a search engine. Us, people in engineering and web tech operate in a fairly different mindset. Ads piss us off more than the average people, who have accepted it throughout the years.
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So how long do you usually consider whether you're spending $5 or not?
It's not about how long, it's about how often you decide not to do it. Which for me is pretty often. $5 is not one coffee here. It's about 4 coffees in a coffee bar. And that $5 is without VAT so that's enough for another coffee :) So basically it's a whole working week of morning coffees. To put it into perspective. This is why I think it has more chance to take off in America than here. Though northern European cou…
I’m not saying you shouldn’t decide against it. Just challenging the assertion that 5 coffees constitutes a large amount of money (I think I can get 7 coffees in Japan for my $5).
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You're asking the wrong question. Maybe we should be asking whether the ad industry deserves to survive if they have to (or choose to) resort to stalking and surveillance that would have made Stasi jealous. It may not be possible to do anything about ads being misleading - marketing is just another word for lying and deception, after all.[ß] For everything else you listed, I put together a tolerable set of behaviours…
> have you considered that maybe the obnoxious, intrusive, scummy and/or malicious ads are everywhere because advertising is too cheap? On contrary, probably the ads became so expensive that only scam can afford it.
I think I could live with that.