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Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Just how "basic" do you think a GPU can be while having the capability to interface with that much DRAM? Getting there with GDDR6 would require a really wide memory bus even if you could get it to operate with multiple ranks. Getting to 128GB with LPDDR5x would be possible with the 256-bit bus width they used on the top parts of the last generation, but would result in having half the bandwidth of an already mediocre…

What if they put 8 identical GPUs in the package, each with 1/8 the memory? Would that be a useful configuration for a modern LLM?

GPU inference is always a balancing act, trying to avoid bottlenecks on memory bandwidth (loading data from the GPU's global memory/VRAM to the much smaller internal shared memory, where it can be used for calculations) and compute (once the values are loaded).

Splitting the model up between several GPUs would add a third much worse bottleneck – memory bandwidth between the GPUs. No matter how well you connect them, it'll be slower than transfer within a single GPU.

Still, the fact that you can fit an 8× larger GPU might be worth it to you. It's a trade-off that's almost universally made while training LLMs (sometimes even with the model split down both its width and length), but is much less attractive for inference.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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AMD has a 192GB GPU. I don’t see them eating NVidia’s lunch with it.

They are charging as much as Nvidia for it. Now imagine they offered such a card for $2k. Would that allow them to eat Nvidia's lunch?

Let’s say for the sake of argument that you could build such a card and sell it for less than $5k. Why would you do it? You know there’s huge demand in the tens of billions per quarter for high end cards. Why undercut so heavily that market? To overthrow NVidia? So you’ll end up with a profit margin way low and then your shareholders will eat you alive.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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It's insane how out of touch people can be here, lol

I have been trying to hold my slurs in reading this thread. These ML AI Macbook people are legit insane. Desktops and gaming is ugly and complex to them (because lego is hard and macbook look nice unga bunga), yet it is a mass market Intel wants to move in on. People here complain because Intel is not making a cheap GPU to "make AI" on when that's a market of maybe 1000 people. This Intel card is perfect for an espor…

Most devs use windows (https://www.statista.com/statistics/869211/worldwide-softwar...). Reddit llocallama alone has 250k users. Clearly the market is bigger than 1000 people. Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests?

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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12GB memory -.- I feel like _anyone_ who can pump out GPU's with 24GB+ of memory that are capable to use for py-stuff would benefit greatly. Even if it's not as performant as the NVIDIA options - just to be able to get the models to run, at whatever speed. They would fly off the shelves.

I don't know a single person in real life that has any desire to run local LLMs. Even amongst my colleagues and tech friends, not very many use LLMs period. It's still very niche outside AI enthusiasts. GPT is better than anything I can run locally anyway. It's not as popular as you think it is.

I want local copilot. I would pay for this.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Stale money is moving around. Nothing changed .

What is stale money?

Hmm. There is a lot of money that exists, doing nothing. I consider that stale money.

Edit: I can’t sort this out. Where did all the money go?

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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At a mere 20x the cost or something, to say nothing about the motherboard etc :( 500 eur for 16GB of 1TB/s with tons of fp32 (and even fp64! The main reason I bought it) back in 2019 is no joke. Believe me, as a lifelong hobbyist-HPC kind of person, I am absolutely dying for such a HBM/fp64 deal again.

$1,961.19: H13SSL-N Motherboard And EPYC 9334 QS CPU + DDR5 4*128GB 2666MHZ REG ECC RAM Server motherboard kit https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807766813460.html Doesn't seem like 20x to me. I'm sure spending more than 30 seconds searching could find even better deals.

Isn't 2666 MHz ECC RAM obscenely slow? 32 cores without the fast AVX-512 of Zen5 isn't what anyone is looking for in terms of floating point throughput (ask me about electricity prices in Germany), and for that money I'd rather just take a 4090 with 24GB memory and do my own software fixed point or floating point (which is exactly what I do personally and professionally).

This is exactly what I meant about Intel's recent launch. Imagine if they went full ALU-heavy on latest TSMC process and packaged 128GB with it, for like, 2-3k Eur. Nvidia would be whipping their lawyers to try to do something about that, not just their engineers.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Well, "AI" is milking cows. Not LLM's though. Our milking robot uses image recognition to find the cow's teats to put the milking cup on.

Yeah, but automated milking robots like that have been in the market for more than a decade now IIRC? Seems like a lot of CV solutions have seen fairly steady but small incremental advances over the past 10-15 years, quite unrelated to the current AI hype.

Improving capabilities of AI isn't at odds with expecting an "AI Winter" - just the current drive is more hype than sustainable, provable progress.

We've been through multiple AI Winters, as a new technique is developed, it does increase the capabilities. Just not as much as the hype suggested.

To say there won't be a bust implies this boom will last forever, into whatever singularity that implies.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Intel isn't going anywhere for at least a couple of hardware genrations. Buying a GPU is also not "investing" in anything. In 2 years' time you can replace it whith whatever is best value for money at that time.

> Buying a GPU is also not "investing" in anything. It is in the (minor) sense that I'd rely on Intel for warranty support, driver updates (if closed source), and firmware fixes. But I agree with your main point that the worst-case downside isn't that big of a deal.

There's no way you're going to maintain and develop the intel linux driver as a solo dev.

Re: Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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$1,961.19: H13SSL-N Motherboard And EPYC 9334 QS CPU + DDR5 4*128GB 2666MHZ REG ECC RAM Server motherboard kit https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807766813460.html Doesn't seem like 20x to me. I'm sure spending more than 30 seconds searching could find even better deals.

Isn't 2666 MHz ECC RAM obscenely slow? 32 cores without the fast AVX-512 of Zen5 isn't what anyone is looking for in terms of floating point throughput (ask me about electricity prices in Germany), and for that money I'd rather just take a 4090 with 24GB memory and do my own software fixed point or floating point (which is exactly what I do personally and professionally). This is exactly what I meant about Intel's re…

I don't think anyone's stopping you, buddy. Great chat. I hope you have a nice evening.
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