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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Please note that this is not a majority sentiment in Korea. This is a fringe conspiracy theory popular among the 4chan-like crowd in SK. Edit: It looks like the parent post was updated to remove the conspiratorial stuff. The sole fact listed is indeed true.

Him being convicted should be a verifiable fact. Why is it a conspiracy?

I gave up expecting people to be reasonable on HN when discussing politics

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Can someone familiar with South Korean politics give us some context for what is happening here?

1. Very low trust in politicians after it was revealed former president Park Geun-hye was secretly a crypto-Christian cult member despite claiming to be atheist. 2. South Korea has a bizarre large-scale "gender war" going on that extents into mainstream society. Imagine the Western online MRA/redpill/incel vs. radfem circles but as core identities in national politics. For some reason a high-trust society has decided…

Koreans don't do things by halves.

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a quick internet search reveals this refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising

Interesting, I don't remember learning or hearing about this one. > While the South Korean government claimed 165 people were killed in the massacre, scholarship on the massacre today estimates 600 to 2,300 victims. Just for the sake of it, compared it to the widely known chinese tiananmen square massacre, albeit this one has widely varying figures on wikipedia: > The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 dea…

> I don't remember learning or hearing about this one

Happened with tacit approval of the US, that's probably why - since it was ""anticommunist"".

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There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.

And a similar rule that at least one person will defend Russia, regardless of how truthful the accusations are. And in this particular case, NK troops fighting in a land war in Europe at Russia's side is a major geopolitical shift, whether you agree or not.

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> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

One could argue that the invocation of the Emergencies Act in Canada (in response to protests against COVID safety measures) resembles martial law. It abridged more than just freedoms of movement or assembly, including freezing personal and corporate bank accounts without due process. This is the most equivalent measure that Canada has to martial law, given that the Emergencies Act replaced the War Measures Act.

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It wasn't even true then. The COVID lockdowns were child's play compared to the abuses of freedom in the US's past, and they're a mere suggestion compared to the lockdowns in other places around the world. Anyone who thinks the government asking you sternly to "please stay inside" is an abuse of power must have fallen asleep in American history class. Or have never talked to their grandparents about politics in the p…

If something has to be worse than slavery in order to qualify as an abuse of freedom, then nothing is going to qualify ever. > Anyone who thinks the government asking you sternly to "please stay inside" is an abuse of power American states jailed pastors, fined churches, and charged individuals with violations of 'laws' against things like worshipping together or assembling. > must have fallen asleep in American hist…

Those were isolated enough incidents to be newsworthy, and public health measures have plenty of precedence in US history. Whether or not you think they are an abuse of power, they are absolutely not indicative of a decline in freedom. And I'm not even talking about slavery, I'm talking about the 20th century.

Heck, over my lifetime I have seen vaccine mandates go from something that was normal, uncontroversial, and you'd be seen as a weird radical if you were against them -- to a hot topic of public debate.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please note that this is not a majority sentiment in Korea. This is a fringe conspiracy theory popular among the 4chan-like crowd in SK. Edit: It looks like the parent post was updated to remove the conspiratorial stuff. The sole fact listed is indeed true.

Him being convicted should be a verifiable fact. Why is it a conspiracy?

The original unedited post included theories about the current president being a political transplant to secretly bring down the Korean right.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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BB loves me and everyone. It's for your own good!

It’s not about defending anything, it’s about using a specific word with a specific meaning when it’s just not accurate. You can still complain about it, but it’s not martial law.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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a quick internet search reveals this refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising

Interesting, I don't remember learning or hearing about this one. > While the South Korean government claimed 165 people were killed in the massacre, scholarship on the massacre today estimates 600 to 2,300 victims. Just for the sake of it, compared it to the widely known chinese tiananmen square massacre, albeit this one has widely varying figures on wikipedia: > The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 dea…

In the US one is not taught about US support of dictatorships in the past and present.
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