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Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by WeylandYutani »

codexon wrote: post #287
Etherlord87 wrote: post #108

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It's a bit embarrassing I even have to explain this, but yes, because racism or sexism are very important parts of 4chan's appeal: it's a place with freedom of speech. Let's be real the standards of discussion are low, but people can discuss stuff freely, which they wouldn't be able to if everything was buried under some GPT generated spam.

A lot of people think 4chan is one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet because they see a lot of racism that would normally be banned anywhere else. But if you post something that goes against the alt-right that pisses them off too much and getting a lot of replies, it'll be deleted within minutes, or you'll even get banned for being "off topic". 4chan is not free speech, it is just a haven for the al…

No politics and news is just one board. You can go to 4chan to discuss more important things such as videogames.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by WeylandYutani »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #63
fresh_broccoli wrote: post #48

I wasn't a very active 4chan poster to begin with, but when they introduced this awful CAPTCHA, and later the 300s countdown before making the first post, I completely lost interest in using the website. Anonymous boards were supposed to be low-friction, but now 4chan is one of the most user-hostile social media platforms around. It takes a special kind of dedication to post there, which I seriously doubt helps the q…

They had a gigantic spam problem, captcha saved the site

Patient dead operation successful.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by reaperman »

HeckFeck wrote: post #221
KomoD wrote: post #212

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> Why do you do this? Money, obviously. I'd also do it for $30-150k/year > you know most users of forums and imageboards don’t want any AI content at all. He's not creating or posting any "AI content"?

Okay, but you know his actions are enabling more AI content and spam to proliferate? I hardly think he is making that much money just because legitimate users don't want to fill in a captcha.

We actually don’t take spam/fraud clients. Granted - there’s a bit of a delicate song+dance with each client, people who are doing spam/fraud usually know better than to admit it outright.

Our group focuses on scraping for lightly-funded LLM startups who cant pay Reddit/X/etc API fees, and data aggregation for cottage industries (price comparison, etc)

But a LOT of the people in our niche do fraud and spam, so we’re steeped in that culture whether we embrace it or reject it.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

Philpax wrote: post #159
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #65

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Jokes aside, we don't want any bots at all. Even if they're posting constructive comments, we should interact with humans, not machines

In the interest of provoking discussion: why? If a bot can meaningfully pass and act as a productive member of the community, what does it matter?

Because I'm interested in what people have to say, not what machines have to say.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by aguaviva »

ranger_danger wrote: post #256
tovej wrote: post #219

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This problem is a societal one, it mostly harms you indirectly by creating spaces for hateful ideas to spread, 4chan's harm is through the capacity to organize and strengthen hateful and harmful political movements. More socially conscious people not visiting the site only serves to create a stronger echo chamber.

This is how oppression starts. First it's "let's only get rid of the most offensive content", then "let's suppress opinions we don't like".

This is how oppression starts

More often though it starts with wave after wave of logical fallacy.

As applies to your critique above, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by jachee »

fullspectrumdev wrote: post #133
codetrotter wrote: post #55

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> simplify the human work given that anyway it's simple to solve via NNs. We are at a point where designing very hard captchas has high probabilities to increase the human annoyance without decreasing the machine solvability Or disallow free users to post at all, and require everyone to buy the 4chan Pass for $20 USD per year if they want to post. https://4chan.org/pass This is already available to not have CAPTCHA.…

This kills the board. Users will go elsewhere, fuck all people pay for pass.

And the spambots will follow them. Which kills the next board. Repeat ad nauseum until the end of the internet.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by matheusmoreira »

tovej wrote: post #315
matheusmoreira wrote: post #274

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The fact you think some ideas are "harmful" is exactly why humanity needs sites like these. We don't trust people like you to determine which ideas are "harmful" and which aren't, which ideas are worth spreading and which aren't. We want to see for ourselves, thank you very much. We are especially interested in the ideas that people deem offensive enough to suppress. Are they actually wrong or are they just socially…

You're saying national socialism is not harmful? /pol/, /b/, and tons of other boards constantly spawn threads glorifying nazi germany and vilifying other ethnicities and women, using rhetoric calling for people belonging to these groups to be killed. Violent far-right groups use these threads as a pool for recruitment. These far-right groups cause real societal harm through violent crime and shifting the view on vio…

> You're saying national socialism is not harmful?

Everything with the word "socialism" in it is harmful.

> vilifying other ethnicities and women, using rhetoric calling for people belonging to these groups to be killed

Unfiltered hate like that is a property of humanity itself. It is not at all exclusive to the so called internet hate machine. If you look closely, you'll find that plenty of "virtuous" people are capable of just as much hate, if not more. I've personally witnessed it.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by vkou »

HeckFeck wrote: post #221
KomoD wrote: post #212

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> Why do you do this? Money, obviously. I'd also do it for $30-150k/year > you know most users of forums and imageboards don’t want any AI content at all. He's not creating or posting any "AI content"?

Okay, but you know his actions are enabling more AI content and spam to proliferate? I hardly think he is making that much money just because legitimate users don't want to fill in a captcha.

Half this forum works on filling the Internet with crap, and most of the other half work for industries that on the net are making the world a worse place, it's kind of table stakes for getting paid.

Capitalism optimises for value to the customer, not for overall public good.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by pimeys »

drexlspivey wrote: post #272
jabroni_salad wrote: post #136

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private torrent trackers are/were doing that. It was really just to make sure you understood how p2p culture works and what the expectations are, and really easy to pass if you just followed a guide. However, I did see many people fail their interview.

The famous RED tracker has a full on technical interview asking about: * Audio Formats * Transcoding * Spectral analysis and more. This is the interview prep website: https://interviewfor.red/en/index.html

Or you get an invite from a friend who always has a bunch of them. Although many people don't realize the expectations and can't cope up with the demands. RED is awesome, but in 2024 it might be hard to start from scratch.
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