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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #327
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #317

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I think circular logic is fairly well defined (from Wikipedia, “Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy, but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion.”) That said, yes it’s not grounds for a ban. I wouldn’t block over it ei…

You will never have an agreement on it. Some see statements as axioms and others do not. Without premises, every form of reasoning can be regarded as circular. You can have an authority on it that determines something as circular or not. But then you will inevitably end up with dogmatism. Someone once said that circular reasoning works if the circle is large enough. Knowing the fallacy might help you detect faulty re…

Maybe, though that suggests that there can be no such thing as a ground truth, which seems kinda shakey to me since it can be used to justify practically any viewpoint imaginable, regardless of how divorced from reality or lacking in verifiable proof it may be.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by EasyMark »

sockaddr wrote: post #116
paxys wrote: post #82

> but now the Bluesky app has exploded to 3.5 million daily active users, putting it just 1.5 times behind Meta’s Threads Are they implying that Threads has just ~5 million daily active users? Adam Mosseri shared in the beginning of November that they have 275 million monthly active users. Bluesky meanwhile has 20 million total users. Considering the author hasn't shared a single source for their claim, I find it har…

I’d bet Meta is counting all the random Instagram users that accidentally interact with the forced threads clickbait posts in their feed.

I click on it randomly to see if anything is going on and usually close it pretty rapidly, so that is almost a false positive. I find bsky much more of of a time sink

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Post by EasyMark »

frithsun wrote: post #27

It's inevitable that social media will split up into separate and distinct networks of people who can no longer stand or even undertand the other sociopolitical tribes. All of us sharing a singular global network was an exceptional and ephemeral circumstance.

I use both X and bsky. I would say the behavior on bsky and the hate language is dialed down by a factor of 10.

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Post by EasyMark »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #123
anon7000 wrote: post #117

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Added to that is user choice over moderation and algorithms. That’s what’s truly interesting about BlueSky. It allows for side A and B to both exist, with people who want to be more isolated in a safe space (so to speak) to do so. That’s a really great property. If I want to engage with content I severely disagree with, I can put it in a feed I check infrequently so that it doesn’t impact my life. Humans aren’t good…

I like that aspect about Bluesky too. On “safe spaces”, as you hint at I think many of us don’t want to be shielded entirely from opposing or otherwise differing lines of thought. Speaking personally, I welcome it if there’s actual discussion to be had . Good faith discussions and exchange of perspectives is great, but I have no patience for trolls, circular logic, insults, “debate” that wouldn’t even pass for high s…

I would love to see a respectful debate starter pack on bluesy get started. Maybe controled by a bot that looks for words that are insults like “troll” “don’t melt snowflake”, etc and will boot you if you get caught. I like political debate, sharing of trustable sources, etc. I don’t like someone telling me I’m just a melting snowflake or cuck, when I bring in a link from a scientific journal to cite as part of my argument

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Post by EasyMark »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #278
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #90

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I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. In fact I believe that the present day situation boils down to one thing only: the prioritization of engagement at the cost of all else. That’s what set us down this road. It incentivizes inflammatory posting that eschews nuance and context and twists and exaggerates the subject matter in order to provoke emotional responses — whether they be angry replies, “dunk” quote-posts, re…

Their advertising model certainly is a problem. But it isn't the only one, there are more and more users that demand other users be removed because of their opinion. When social networks started to listen to a few of them, they made themselves hostages to more demands. Platforms like Twitter or reddit certainly suffered from this.

You can say just about whatever you want on bsky as long as you’re civil. I think you will probably get kicked if you start hate-ons for issues like trans, LGBTQ, women, etc that are uncivil. It’s one thing to debate gender, it’s another to say “quit crying qu*r”. That’s likely get you reported and banned or on some blacklists. I think you would probably have to be civil in discussions on groups that are likely protected under say the civil rights act, and modern take on that as to which groups should have been added but haven’t like LGBTQ. Just my take, it’s not the law of the land :). It seems like dems/magas/libertarians aren’t considered protected groups on there and I’ve seen some heated”discussions” that didn’t seem to get cut.

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Post by EasyMark »

nitwit005 wrote: post #231
frithsun wrote: post #27

It's inevitable that social media will split up into separate and distinct networks of people who can no longer stand or even undertand the other sociopolitical tribes. All of us sharing a singular global network was an exceptional and ephemeral circumstance.

The press coverage is a bit misleading. Everyone is leaving Twitter. Liberals are just leaving faster. Keep in mind that a lot of Twitter users never wanted political content. They were there for sports, art, science discussions, etc. Some of those communities are clearly migrating.

I think I’ve even noticed a huge decrease in hate bots lately in my feed, certainly doesn’t seem to up date as often (aka takes longer for my usual “followees”to go off the firehouse, as they have some precedence in the feed make up

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Post by EasyMark »

paxys wrote: post #75
janalsncm wrote: post #6

Is it all the ways that matter? The author mentions one way, DAU. Sure, that is important but I can think of other things that matter. The number of “creator” accounts matters just as much as the number of lurkers. From my experience Bluesky is way better and has respect for the user’s choice front and center. Lists of users to follow is a first-class citizen feature. Their algorithm is a chronological feed, not boos…

Here's one metric that matters – revenue per user. Bluesky's is, I assume, zero, and soon that will have to change. Threads meanwhile has the largest social media ads and monetization platform in the world behind it ready to make the dollars flow at the push of a button.

Right, I’m sure they’ll have to bring in ads, but I believe we’ve seen this play before. I’m cool with ads, I’m not cool with promoting hate speech because it “improves engagement”

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Post by epistasis »

CaptWillard wrote: post #329
epistasis wrote: post #235

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> For most people, Twitter is doing better than ever. Citation needed... Twitter went from a highly useful daily visit for getting news in my field to being a gigantic time suck to even try to avoid the politics and low-quality posts. >enforced community separation is so prevalent among those who are so reticent to build a border wall Ah, so you have a certain form of politics, and its beneficial. But Is that "most p…

When you use phrases like "partisan politics" and "extremist", I assume you're talking about objective truths and reasonable opinions that run counter to establishment/corporate/IC narratives. I don't say this to debate you, but more to suggest my reaction is not unique among anyone who has been paying attention over these years. I'd go so far as to say this line of rhetoric has gone past diminishing returns and into…

To be honest I don't know what you mean by this.

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Post by EasyMark »

rcpt wrote: post #196
bertil wrote: post #26

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The difference in moderation is night and day. Soon after Musk took over, I started having accounts wishing me violent deaths, repeatedly commenting on everything I said with graphic details (broken bones, poisoning, dragging my body over the pavement, etc.). That happened occasionally before, but they typically got banned. After the takeover, those were gone (and my account got blocked a couple of times for quoting…

Right. After the pay-to-play change that boosted Blue Checks to the top of everything it became unusable. No better than going into the local news comment section or Craigslist discussion forums.

I had some success with a -lot- of training but mostly it’s 10% useful and 90% pure blue check engagement garbage. The following tab is still fine though. I’m pretty selective there and only include software people, science feeds, news orgs, etc that aren’t full of garbage. Also twitter control panel works pretty well delete all blue checks from comment sections.

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Post by EasyMark »

transcriptase wrote: post #43
bertil wrote: post #26

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The difference in moderation is night and day. Soon after Musk took over, I started having accounts wishing me violent deaths, repeatedly commenting on everything I said with graphic details (broken bones, poisoning, dragging my body over the pavement, etc.). That happened occasionally before, but they typically got banned. After the takeover, those were gone (and my account got blocked a couple of times for quoting…

What the hell are you doing or saying to warrant that kind of negative attention?

All you have to be is a proponent of ________ politics, LGBTQ, an opinionated woman, etc and you will receive death/rape threats on twitter. I’m sure 99% of them are bots, but still it can be unnerving. A strong opinion on a contentious topic will get you death threats eventually. That’s why I have DMs turned off and block/mute rather than engage trolls
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