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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by gamblor956 »

legitster wrote: post #166
dpats wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. Do you have a source on that?

> From 2016 to 2018 an average of 19,158 fatalities resulted from roadway departures, which is 51 percent of all traffic fatalities in the United States. https://highways.dot.gov/safety/RwD

FTL: "FHWA defines a roadway departure (RwD) crash as a crash which occurs after a vehicle crosses an edge line or a center line, or otherwise leaves the traveled way. Another term our partners often use is lane departure, which is synonymous with RwD, since both include head-on collisions when a vehicle enters an opposing lane of traffic."

Road departure fatalities are high because of head-on collisions, not because there is an epidemic of people crashing into trees along the side of the road. If you follow the links on the cited page, they clearly show that head-on crashes result in more fatalities than tree+utility pole crashes.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by floxy »

altairprime wrote: post #51

The linked study is better: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

It is better. But in the year 2024, why should I believe the data from a random source, with unknown data analysis? When will they be releasing their data package for independent analysis? Why isn't this the expected norm? And how can we make it so?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by notyourwork »

sangnoir wrote: post #317
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #263

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Being right or wrong is often irrelevant to the question of “does it belong on HN?”

Not only do other HN commenters largely agree that it belongs to HN, they decided that it deserves to be the top comment on this discussion, at the time I authored this comment

Which is sad for someone who has been here for well over a decade. I never came here for political banter, I came for technical discussion. Facts, truths and subject matter experts. HN is slowly becoming less concentrated version of that.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by buffington »

vikingerik wrote: post #221
SoftTalker wrote: post #115

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What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars: Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph. Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers. Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in…

I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

Where I live, I'd estimate that a third of the passenger cars are Teslas. No data to back that up, but that's what I tend to see day to day. The diversity of drivers is significant enough to suggest that "all kinds of people" drive Teslas.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ghaff »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #43
ghaff wrote: post #21

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Many of us simply don't want to live in expensive urbanized environments (especially in more desirable ones)--at least at many points in our lives, so yeah no.

I mean the problem isn't those who don't want to live in cities nor is it those who want to live in cities: the problem is the suburbs, which is where those two meet. People who aren't in and do not desire an actual rural lifestyle where one has a standalone home on a large plot of land in the middle of nowhere, but also don't want a condo. They want their own little plot of land, with a small yard, and a standalone…

I don't know. My town has a budget. We argue over property taxes at town meetings. We argue over enterprise zones like distribution centers that certainly aren't going in the middle of large cities. We argue over school spending that tends to be lower than in large cities. No one is wiping out highways that connect large cities to other places.

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Post by notyourwork »

Wytwwww wrote: post #229
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

> I loathe it They are planning to appoint a nutjob who has publicly that he admitted cutting off the heads of whale carcasses with a chainsaw and dumping dead bears in the Central Park for "fun". Presumably he is also consuming those rotting animals carcasses that he keeps finding somehow (how else do you get brain worms?) to be the new US health secretary. Seriously... what else do you need to know?

What do I need to know? Tech oriented, factually grounded discussion. The thing I come here for that allows me to partially escape reality and enjoy the finer things in life. I can tune into Fox, CNN, Facebook, or a myriad of places for political banter.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by gamblor956 »

legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

This is false. Your cited link (https://highways.dot.gov/safety/RwD) clearly demonstrates that head-on collisions cause more fatalities than tree+utility pole collisions combined.

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Post by bilbo0s »

MBCook wrote: post #310
bilbo0s wrote: post #307

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In fairness, we can turn on a tv for any view. There's like a gazillion channels. Just pick your poison.

Doesn’t Fox News routinely get the highest ratings too?

I'm not Nielsen Ratings or anything, but that would be consistent with what I would think. Fox viewers being older, and older being consistent with tv viewers. Younger being consistent with TikTok, YouTube, InstaFaceTwit intake.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by gamblor956 »

scruple wrote: post #277

I spend a lot of time driving around Irvine, CA and it feels like the Tesla (especially Model Y) capital of the world. And I am not at all surprised to see these sorts of fatality statistics about these vehicles because their drivers are, far and away, the most distracted and oblivious drivers I have ever encountered on the road in 28 years of driving.

On my monthly drive to the office this week I passed 7 accidents on the morning commute to Irvine. Every single accident involved a Tesla. One of the accidents even involved two Teslas: one crashed into the other, and based on what one of the drivers was yelling into his phone as I slowly inched passed them, both Teslas were using FSD.

On a more somber note, in one of the accidents an AP/FSD-driven Tesla crashed into a motorcyclist. The motorcyclist survived (or at least, the news did not report a fatality on the 405 that day), but there was a lot of blood on the road and the Tesla that crashed into him.

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Post by [deleted] »

ipaddr wrote: post #297
Wytwwww wrote: post #229

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> I loathe it They are planning to appoint a nutjob who has publicly that he admitted cutting off the heads of whale carcasses with a chainsaw and dumping dead bears in the Central Park for "fun". Presumably he is also consuming those rotting animals carcasses that he keeps finding somehow (how else do you get brain worms?) to be the new US health secretary. Seriously... what else do you need to know?

He has respect and years of experience in this field and a strong vision. Your talking points are things we might here on the view.

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