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Funny that we can buy renewed Intel Macs for less than $200 and do exactly the same.

...until the battery runs out hours earlier.

Or your lap gets hot. Or the fans drive you mad. Good luck with the available ports. Oh, it’s slow AF too, but if you get the right model you can use that stupid Touch Bar.

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For how long? There are a lot of superlatives ("simply incredible" etc) - when some new AMD or Intel CPU beats this score, will that be "simply incredible" too? New chips are slightly faster than previous ones. I am not incredulous about this. Were it a 2x or 3x or 4x improvement or something, sure. But it ain't - it's incremental. I note how even in the Apple marketing they compare it to generations 3 or 4 chips ago…

> I note how even in the Apple marketing they compare it to generations 3 or 4 chips ago Apple is just marketing to the biggest buyer group (2 generation upgrades) in their marketing material? This isn’t like iPhones where people buy them every 1-2 years (because they break or you lose it etc), laptops have a longer shelf life, you usually run to the ground over 2+ yrs and then begrudgingly upgrade.

The + is doing some heavy lifting there. I’m on a 2019 XPS running Fedora with niri. It doesn’t feel like it’s kicking the bucket any time soon.

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Indeed, the $1599 M4 Pro Mac mini beats the current $3999 M2 Ultra Mac Studio on GeekBench 6 multi-core: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/10/31/m4-pro-chip-benchmark-r...

I've been thinking about getting a Mac mini as a small server box due to how powerful it is.

What would you be running on it?

I’d like a few VMs for a media server and the associated apps. Pihole too ideally, but I keep that separate as that VM going bad is never good.

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Unless you play games where you stare at the map while balancing exel spreadsheets.

That's okay, Factorio has awesome Apple Silicon support.

What about Paradox games? genuinely curious about that.

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I think they're still keeping it somewhat together, agree it got ever more confusing with the introduction of more performance tiers but after 3 generations it's been easy to keep track of: Mx (base) -> Pro -> Max -> Ultra. Think it's still quite far away from naming conventions of PC territory. Now I got curious on what naming scheme could be clearer for Apple's performance tiers.

Max implies it's the top. There shouldn't be anything above max

“Ultra” means going beyond others.

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> Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips Yeah but then you'd have to use Windows. I'd rather just play whatever games can be emulated and take the performance penalty. It helps that most AAAs put me to sleep...

Mac OS is amazing, using a Mac for games is not a good idea. Most AAA, AA, and indie games don't run on Mac.

How is it amazing? In my experience it is full of bugs and bad design choices if you ever dare to steer from the path Apple expects masses to take. If you try to use workspaces/desktops to the full extent, you know.

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Back in the early 90s, when Apple was literally building their first product line with the Mac, they would come out with their second big honking powerhouse Mac: the Macintosh IIx. It blew everything out of the water. Then they would come out with their next budget all-in-one machine. But computing was improving so fast, with prices for components dropping so quickly, that the Macintosh SE/30 ended up as impressive a…

In the 90s, you probably wouldn't want to be using a desktop from 4 years ago, but the M1 is already 4 years old and will probably be fine for most people for years yet.

To be fair, MOST computers are like that nowadays, regardless of brand. I'm using a Intel desktop that is ~8 years old and runs fine with an upgraded GPU.

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My best Apple purchases in 20 years of being their customer: The Macbook M1 Pro 16 inch and the Pro Display XDR. When Steve Jobs died I really thought Apple was done, but their most flawless products (imho) came much later.

Yeah, don’t forget the 10 dark years between the Butterfly Keyboard Macbook Pro 2016, the Emoji Macbook Air, until the restoration of the USB ports… around 2022. That was truely the dark age of Apple.

I had the 2015 MBP and I held onto it until the M1 came out…I still have it and tbh it’s still kind of a great laptop. The two best laptops of the past decade for sure.

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Why would you, or anyone, ever compare a line of Intel machines with a line of machines that have a vastly different architecture and power usage? It'd be like comparing Lamborghini's tractors and cars and asking if the tractors will scrape on steep driveways because you know the cars do.

On the other hand, it is comparing Apples to Apples. The Gods didn't deliver specs to Apple for Intel machines locking the company to placement/grades/design/brands/sizes of chassis, fans, logic board, paste etc. Apple, in the Intel years, just prioritized small form factor, at the expense of longevity. And Apple's priorities are likely still the same. My concern is that, given cooler-running chips, Apple will decrea…

Jonny Ive left and Apple decided thinness wasn’t the only value.

100% Apple Silicon is that for computers. Very rarely do my fans whizz up. It’s noticeable when someone is using an x64 and you’re working with them because you will hear their computer’s fans on.

The work Apple has done to create a computer with good thermals is outrageous. Minimising distances for charges to be induced over.

I run Linux on my box. It’s great for what it does but these laptops are just the slickest computers I have ever used.

Never gets hot. Fans only come on during heavy compilation tasks or graphic intensive workloads.

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