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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by TechDebtDevin »

riverrunn01 wrote: post #223
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #91

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Not exactly. X had a local representative who was threatened by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders. It’s not that they refused to appoint a representative but that they had to get rid of all their employees and legal representation in Brazil because the judge was going after them as individuals, making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech. The root of…

Nope Im Brazilian. And all of this started way before. These orders were not imbalanced -- the blocking of X accounts -- (Ok VPN now is). Musk after several court decisions decided to not comply, even after all involved received due process. It's not, in the slightest, censorship at all. What really happened was violation of ellection rules on daily basis, specially on X but many other social also were fined. META, T…

I honestly am more apt to believe what an anon on HN says than Musk's verified Twitter account. The guy only knows how to lie.

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Post by WalterBright »

threeseed wrote: post #289
WalterBright wrote: post #220

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Yes, he sued not only the cartel organization, but its members. That seems only reasonable, as he sued them for violations of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Do you think the Sherman Act is an unreasonable limitation on the free market?

So he did sue the advertisers. And unless Musk has some extraordinary evidence it will be difficult to provide those advertisers colluded together to better themselves at the expense of other market participants. Especially when they aren't even in the same markets. Also if you think this situation is akin to a cartel god knows what you think of IMDB or the Michelin guide.

The linked documents describe the cartel and how it violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It's not a difficult read.

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Post by roenxi »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #330
roenxi wrote: post #315

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> We've been living in a fantasy land of "no political affiliation" in the tech world for decades Which "we" are you speaking for? That doesn't sound like the tech world, we've had a lot of explicitly political tech movements over the years. Off the top of my head some of the more successful and major ones were: - Cryptography. - Free Software. - Cryptocurrency. The Silicon Valley based companies have been politicall…

"Politically affiliated" is something very different than "political".

If you figure out what that difference is, let me know. The tech scene has been decidedly liberal (old school liberal, nowadays people maybe call that libertarian) and as political as it can be since the start. There has been a trend where other political cultures are getting involved too since ... probably the Obama campaign was when politicians really started noticing that spreading messages through the internet was more effective than going through the corporate news. But that is just a change of affiliations (maybe more accurately a broadening), tech has always been affiliated with someone.

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Post by bad_user »

viraptor wrote: post #317
dgfitz wrote: post #74

Disclaimer: indifferent at best to musk, probably more dislike than anything else, but not with vitriol. So I read that this is all because musk refused to appoint a Brazilian citizen as an X representative, as dictated by Brazilian law. I have not verified this part. Musk refused because the last person to fill that role had all their bank accounts frozen by the judge. The judge also cut off payments from Brazilian…

> well then starlink is free for Brazilian citizens because I don’t want to cut people off from their internet connection It's only for existing customers and because they can't charge them anymore, but don't want to drop the customers just yet. It's a business continuity plan, not some altruistic gesture.

> It's a business continuity plan, not some altruistic gesture.

Why is there someone always making this comment every time a company or someone rich does something good for a bunch of people?

There's no such thing as altruism, with humans it's all self-interest, and that's good actually. Might as well point out that the water is wet. So why make this comment?

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Post by viburnum »

slowhadoken wrote: post #293
viburnum wrote: post #274

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People used it to organize an attempted coup against a democratically elected government and twitter is not cooperating with the investigation.

I’m pretty sure that’s the CIA’s job. Isn’t it because Brazil doesn’t have free speech so they have absurd “hate speech” laws similar to the ones that are backfiring in Scotland right now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_attack

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Post by input_sh »

nox101 wrote: post #322
kstenerud wrote: post #295

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It's partisan/political because Musk is partisan/political. And it's not just Musk. We've been living in a fantasy land of "no political affiliation" in the tech world for decades, and now that the age of the hyper-rich has come once again, they are realizing the benefits of using the power they wield to shape the worlds they live in. So now in the early stages of this century's great fight, we'll see our beloved tec…

so strange for you to blame this on Musk. Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over

Who else is there to blame for Twitter refusing to designate a representative, leading to a ban?

I'm sure pre-Musk Twitter wouldn't have lost the entire market in the 7th most populous country.

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Post by slimsag »

hypnotist wrote: post #334

I am surprised no one mentioned nostr. https://nostr.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr supposedly more distributed and censorship resistant than bsky. https://thenewstack.io/bluesky-vs-nostr-which-should-develop...

Nostr is a protocol. Bluesky is a product.

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Post by GolfPopper »

braunjohnson wrote: post #53

I remain surprised at how casually people will step over the free speech dead body so they can hate on people the media at large has maligned. Regardless of what you think of Musk, where's your outrage over this blatant authoritarianism?

>Regardless of what you think of Musk, where's your outrage over this blatant authoritarianism?

"Billionaire's toy social media network gets banned after blowing off entire country's judicial system" doesn't exactly sounds like "blatant authoritarianism". When I listen carefully, it sounds closer to "rule of law".

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