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Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by nicbou »

cedws wrote: post #308
nicbou wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: why do you feel entitled to free content? Normally if you don't agree to the price of something, you don't pay for it and you don't get it. With content people feel okay with both getting the content for free _and_ denying the creator any income. Then when the creators dare to bring it up, there's invariably a comment like this downplaying their contribution. It's truly adding insult to injury.

If you hand out free cupcakes and then people take them, you can’t really then complain about people taking the cupcakes without paying. The reason creators monetise their videos on YouTube instead of charging for them on Patreon is because they know people won’t pay for them. Why would they? There are mountains of other videos they can watch for free and if they aren’t inclined to pay, the videos probably aren’t wor…

In this case the cupcakes are not free. They are explicitly exchanged for a minute of your attention. You use scripts and tools to get the product without paying for it.

Kind of like sneaking into a meeting room to eat the cupcakes, then leaving before the meeting begins.

If you decided not to watch ad-supported content, it would be the free market at work. In this case you're just stiffing creators.

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Post by Sander_Marechal »

riiii wrote: post #320
lupusreal wrote: post #290

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I only worked in ad tech briefly and many years ago, but what I saw there was a game being played between the people who make/distribute ads and the companies that buy them. The game is to convince the people buying ads that ads have value, even when they don't.

That rings with what Uber said, that they'd been scammed $100 million. https://veracitytrustnetwork.com/blog/digital-marketing/uber...

I am convinced that the bulk of online advertising money spent is just wasted. All it does is steal clicks and attributions for conversions that would have happened anyway.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by maccard »

euroderf wrote: post #287
maccard wrote: post #248

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I think you’d be surprised at how effective advertising is on you. An awful lot of it is brand familiarity. You mentioned some examples, but presumably you’ve seen more than three ads (not expecting you to list them). Square space is one provider that commonly does these kinds of placements and I can confirm that it’s an excellent product (albeit expensive). Where do you think your friend found out about onshape?

> An awful lot of it is brand familiarity. Thus the ad industry term "impressions" ? One gets the impression (heh) that they're just trying to beat logos and catchphrases into your reptile brain. "Familiarity breeds contempt"... but ubiquitous superficiality does not, I guess.

I’ve never realised the use of the word impression until now - makes a lot of sense

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by prmoustache »

efilife wrote: post #55
vouaobrasil wrote: post #44

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> Don't do your videos for money. You are interrupting users that pay for YouTube premium with ads in the middle of your videos. Set up a way to donate to you on YouTube, channel memberships are an option, they display next to the "subscribe button". You shouldn't work for money either. Just do it for free.

YouTube isn't work and I doubt this person creates videos for a living. I assume this is just extra money this person wants, not needs . Many years ago YouTube was about hobbyists, and nobody complained. I'm sick of the attitude to monetize everything. I listed a few non-intrusive options, just don't be hostile to your viewers shoving them sponsored crap in the middle of videos

>YouTube isn't work

Youtube isn't work but producing videos at a decent quality and frequency is. It happens that a large amount of them are distributed through Youtube.

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

voidUpdate wrote: post #240

I still don't understand a lot of youtube advertising. Like for me, if I'm being advertised something, I instinctively don't trust it, because they're having to pay people to say good things about it rather than people who have used it telling me it's a good thing. And there are still so many sponsorships from places like BetterHelp, which has been known to be a scam for a while now, and Raid Shadow Legends, which is…

The easiest people to advertise to are HN knowitalls that consider themselves infallible, completely logical beings.

Advertising works on you. You’re just, at best, describing a scenario where you aren’t being advertised things that you currently find appealing.

You’re currently on a social network that’s basically just YC’s advertising board.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by nicce »

pprotas wrote: post #309
nicce wrote: post #305

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What is specific with Argentinian?

Some countries have way cheaper YouTube Premium prices, so you can just sign up in that country using a VPN. I think that these days Argentina might not be the cheapest anymore, though.

Ah, I thought that VPN should be bought from there.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by lupusreal »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #335
voidUpdate wrote: post #240

I still don't understand a lot of youtube advertising. Like for me, if I'm being advertised something, I instinctively don't trust it, because they're having to pay people to say good things about it rather than people who have used it telling me it's a good thing. And there are still so many sponsorships from places like BetterHelp, which has been known to be a scam for a while now, and Raid Shadow Legends, which is…

The easiest people to advertise to are HN knowitalls that consider themselves infallible, completely logical beings. Advertising works on you. You’re just, at best, describing a scenario where you aren’t being advertised things that you currently find appealing. You’re currently on a social network that’s basically just YC’s advertising board.

That's a quippy response I've heard here before, but it doesn't check out. You, without any knowledge of my personal experience, are asserting that everything I know about my experience is wrong and I am deceiving myself by thinking I know anything about myself. But in truth, this is nothing more than your attempt to deceive me, plain and simple gas-lighting.

> You’re currently on a social network that’s basically just YC’s advertising board.

If that's the sum of your proof, your thesis is a joke. I am not the customer of any YC company, nor have I ever applied for a job at one, nor have I ever or will I ever apply to YC itself. Your attempt to cold read me was pathetic.

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Post by riiii »

Sander_Marechal wrote: post #332
riiii wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That rings with what Uber said, that they'd been scammed $100 million. https://veracitytrustnetwork.com/blog/digital-marketing/uber...

I am convinced that the bulk of online advertising money spent is just wasted. All it does is steal clicks and attributions for conversions that would have happened anyway .

I've been on the internet since before it was all about ads and clocks.

I've never intentionally clicked on an ad. It's either been an accidental drive by click or deception.

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Post by sidewndr46 »

dkarras wrote: post #245
voidUpdate wrote: post #240

I still don't understand a lot of youtube advertising. Like for me, if I'm being advertised something, I instinctively don't trust it, because they're having to pay people to say good things about it rather than people who have used it telling me it's a good thing. And there are still so many sponsorships from places like BetterHelp, which has been known to be a scam for a while now, and Raid Shadow Legends, which is…

you're not the target. advertisements work. the people managing ads are very meticulous about their spend vs. return. if you are seeing an ad of something for any noticeable duration of time, that means it works. by that I mean they get positive return from showing the world their ad. if it generates negative returns, it will be pulled pretty quickly. they are humans just like you and me, we don't like losing money.…

This is the same myths that everyone in advertising propagates.

Such a belief purports that the effect of all advertising is measurable. It clearly is not. For example, someone sees your ad and decides your company is reprehensible. They were not a customer and they decide to never interact with your company. It's not possible to measure this. Anyone claiming it is holds what amounts to a religious belief.

The "generates negative returns" is the next myth in this. Whether or not advertising generates positive returns is not relevant. You can't measure the return of advertising in the first place. Even if you could measure it, you should be comparing it to the opportunity cost of not doing something more productive with that money. Which you also can't measure. No one rationally proposes that someone spends a hundred dollars on advertising to generate $100.10 in revenue is somehow a good use of money.

Re: SponsorBlock – skip sponsor segments on YouTube

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Post by gosub100 »

avhon1 wrote: post #234
gosub100 wrote: post #179

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Cutting or removing features!= enshittification. To me that word means contracts with early cancellation fees, charging more for long form or educational content, pop-ups, rate limiting ( you get 10 vids per day on your free plan), charging to upload, billing authors for bandwidth used, and so on. I don't think you realize how good we have it.

Your definition slightly off. Here it is from the guy who coined the term: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys > Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. Removing features is absolutely part o…

>Then, they die.

Yeah, any day now YT is going to shut its doors.

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